Let's see ... The total length of that section looks to be about 10 cm.
Let's apply your resistor calculation.
As a first approximation, consider only the shortest path from the thermistor
to the fluid.
Vin = 100 (Voltage :: Temperature) Steam
Vout = 30 : Output of heat exchanger.
The
I think that the sensor is under the black tape near the END of the pipe -- you
can see the wire going under it -- which I estimated as 5 cm from the center.
I did my calculation before you posted that ... if Mario Masso used HIS sensor
position that would increase the calculated error.
-
Attention all in the Vort collective:
I hope you all don't mind if I take a few bytes of bandwidth to request some
help with the RD I've been working on... which is noninvasive blood glucose
measurement using RF/microwaves. The attached pic shows the results for
just one of the diabetics tested;
Alan:
Thx for doing the calcs...
I too saw the TC lead wires going under the black tape which is on the fitting
where they push on the flexible hose. However, if you look closely, the lead
wires continue for at least another 2 inches after the black tape, so I think
the actual TC was mounted
Hello group,
An preliminary article on the October 6th E-Cat experiment appeared on
the italian science magazine Focus website: http://goo.gl/bLzun (in Italian.
http://www.focus.it/scienza/e-cat-fusione-fredda-andrea-rossi-il-test-del-6-ottobre_C12.aspx
Interestingly, it provides some more
(This is a second copy. It looks like the original message didn't make
it to the group. I've removed a few URLs from the message body just to
be sure they weren't the cause)
Hello group,
An preliminary article on the October 6th E-Cat experiment appeared on
the italian science magazine Focus
On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Alan:
Thx for doing the calcs...
I too saw the TC lead wires going under the black tape which is on
the fitting where they push on the flexible hose. However, if you
look closely, the lead wires continue for at least another 2
Or if it is refutable, let's see someone make a serious effort to refute it.
Stop quibbling about details. Get the heart of the matter, and tell us how a
box of this size with no input power can boil water for 3 hours and remain
at the same high temperature while you cool it with 1.8 tons of
That's terrible, then. The thermistor is (my eye) 2.5 cm from the closest
point of the incoming steam line (the center of the block) through solid brass.
My 2-resistor calculation then gives a 5V (5C) offset. (I couldn't find the
22passi link).
I tried a triangular resistor mesh with 21
I am not able to send no 476 of my newsletter
to Vortex. If it is banned, please let me know
thanks,
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Hi,
i cannot find data about the primary input flow.
The primary output flow was measured, but not continuously. (So far I know)
The input flow was made -as before- with a peristaltic pump and so it
should be precisely known.
Because the temperatures are logged we could calculate an upper
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not able to send no 476 of my newsletter
to Vortex.
Probably too big. How many kilobytes is it? This is an old server, with a
limit of 40 kB as I recall.
- Jed
Hi,
i cannot find data about the primary input flow.
The primary output flow was measured, but not continuously. (So far I know)
The input flow was made -as before- with a peristaltic pump and so it
should be precisely known.
Because the temperatures are logged we could calculate an upper
Both messages made it to the group! :-)
2011/10/9 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
(This is a second copy. It looks like the original message didn't make it
to the group. I've removed a few URLs from the message body just to be sure
they weren't the cause)
Hello group,
An
Mr. Murray sed:
...
It is indeed high time to welcome the likes of Park, Shanahan,
Cude, Little, Krivit, Heffner, and the bit player Murray into
the shared forums -- for if any voices are denigrated, then
all are enfeebled, with the chorus of collaboration
needlessly crippled...
With 40MJ of heat in the system it would be impossible for the temperature to
drop suddenly. I heat a block of steel to 900C, then I stop heating it, and
drop a gram of water on it. What's the temperature? 900C. Notice there was no
precipitous drop. Nor would there be after many grams of water.
On 2011-10-09 21:41, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Both messages made it to the group! :-)
Good, it appears I just had to wait for the message to appear.
By the way, this is a list of people who attended the test, from the
same source: http://goo.gl/acDyt . Sven Kullander or Hanno Essen weren't
Hi,
i cannot find data about the primary input flow.
The primary output flow was measured, but not continuously. (So far I know)
The input flow was made -as before- with a peristaltic pump and so it
should be precisely known.
Unfortunately I cannot find this data.
Because the temperatures
Thx for posting that pic...
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:33 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi heat exchanger fitting
Mark,
In the video Rossi points to the spot. Attached is a clip showing
It's here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/10/informavores-sunday-no-476.html
T
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not able to send no 476 of my newsletter
to Vortex.
Probably too big. How many
I think this did not get through for the first time
My dear Friends,
It's Sunday again and Informavore's Sunday
no 476 is here. Nothing special just selected
information, good against E-cat nausea.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/10/informavores-sunday-no-476.html
Enjoy and please send it
On 2011-10-09 22:59, Jed Rothwell wrote:
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304196_10150844451570375_818270374_20774905_1010742682_n.jpg
This is another graphical analysis which shows an overall energy gain:
http://imgur.com/a/oix51
(conveniently grouped in a single image
Castro? Castro!
Just as I suspected. Rossi is part of a commie plot to undermine our
way of life.
Harry
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig Haynie wrote:
I would like to point out that if it were a battery, then it would have
been hidden and
Thanks for the analysis, Jed. Will be interesting to read what others have
to say.
BTW, what did Rossi have to say?
* * * * *
When I look at the graph I continue to be drawn to the curious fact that the
input power is cycled on and off a total of three or four times starting
from
Hi
The Michelson-Morley experiment and similar linear interferometers are
actually rotating when they are in use. They are thus similar to
Sagnac-interferometers.
A rotating Michelson-Morley interferometer looks like in the attached
picture.
[image: image.png]
The black interferometer in this
On 2011-10-10 01:12, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
In any case, it looks to me as if Rossi had three false starts
before he finally hit pay dirt on the fourth crank.
I haven't thought of this before, but after pondering a bit about it I
believe it really might have been the
I don't know if Rossi would consider them false starts. From what he has
said in the past it seems that cycling the input on and off is now standard
operating procedure to run the E-Cat in a stable mode. He has said that in
commercial models this cycling will be automated.
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at
From Akira:
This is another graphical analysis which shows an overall energy gain:
http://imgur.com/a/oix51
The I/O energy values listed at Imgur certainly bear little resemblance the
values reported over in Mr. Krivit's blog:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/
Of particular interest to me,
Ah, so now I have some insight from you mentioning frequencies: An
ultrasonic transducer inside the E-Cat Reactor fludizes the nickel power bed
and shakes loose reaction products and contaminates -- that's the trick!
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
http://HoytStearns.com
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
**
With 40MJ of heat in the system it would be impossible for the temperature
to drop suddenly. I heat a block of steel to 900C, then I stop heating it,
and drop a gram of water on it. What's the temperature? 900C. Notice there
was no precipitous drop.
No the band heater is at 900C but that metal block talk was only for
illustrative purposes. Newtons LAw is irrelevant. An insulated metal block that
loses heat at a rate of 1W loses heat at the rate of 1W. You mention lack of
monotonicity but what's the example (be specific, post link).
-
I sent a number of posts last night which have not shown up. I'll
resend and see what happens. Sorry if they end up being duplicates.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
According to the Eskimo yahoo site, the email server was down late
yesterday and this morning.
Regards,
Terry
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
I sent a number of posts last night which have not shown up. I'll resend
and see what happens. Sorry if
On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Let's see ... The total length of that section looks to be about
10 cm.
Let's apply your resistor calculation.
As a first approximation, consider only the shortest path from the
thermistor to the fluid.
Vin = 100 (Voltage ::
On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Alan:
Thx for doing the calcs...
I too saw the TC lead wires going under the black tape which is on
the fitting where they push on the flexible hose. However, if you
look closely, the lead wires continue for at least another 2
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
**
No the band heater is at 900C but that metal block talk was only for
illustrative purposes. Newtons LAw is irrelevant.
Newton's law governs passive heat loss, which is what this has to be if
there is not energy input and the flow rate does change.
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
No the band heater is at 900C but that metal block talk was only for
illustrative purposes. Newtons LAw is irrelevant.
Newton's law governs passive heat loss, which is what this
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Let's see ... The total length of that section looks to be about 10 cm.
Let's apply your resistor calculation.
As a first approximation, consider only the shortest path from the
thermistor to the fluid.
Vin = 100 (Voltage :: Temperature)
Excuse me I meant to say that the cooling rate must obey Newton's law if
there is NO energy generation and the flow rate does NOT change. In other
words, if it passive cooling in unchanging conditions. Lewan's observations
and report show that the flow rate and other essential parameters did not
Here are some charts of possible interest.
RossiT2Pout.jpg shows a scaled plot of T2 overlaid on a plot of Pout
and Pin. In addition, an exponential moving average (EMA) of Pout is
shown in yellow. The RF (frequency device) on and off times are
denoted on the graph as well, using magenta
Jed, I hate to ask, really.
You seem to be impressed by that graph. If you look closely at the Ny Teknik
results, the output at the heat exchanger doesn't seem to track the logged
E-Cat temperatures in any meaningful way.
A quick example is between 19:03 and 19:22: In that time frame, E-Cat
Horace Heffner - Original Message -
On this we may disagree significantly. Take a look at the photos
kindly provided by Enzo:
http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo1.jpg
http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo2.jpg
The central brass fitting is very thick. Given the hose ID is about
When you zoom in on the end of the sensor lead wire, where the frayed
insulation is, you clearly see the bare metal thermocouple wires.
And from the length of that section of lead wire (~1.5 to 2 inches), the
most likely location for the actual TC was on one of the flat surfaces on
the shiny steel
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
You seem to be impressed by that graph. If you look closely at the Ny
Teknik results, the output at the heat exchanger doesn't seem to track the
logged E-Cat temperatures in any meaningful way.
It cannot track them. The eCat is boiling
- Jed wrote ... - Original Message -
Okay TIME OUT. Stop worrying about this. Forget about the damned
thermocouples altogether. Pretend they were not there. Stop obsessing
over small technical details and Look At The Facts:
When the power went off, the reactor was boiling inside and
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Here are some charts of possible interest.
Thanks!
Put the first one up there too, in jpg or pgn format.
I don't understand why your renditions come out so small but the images are
sharp so that's good.
- Jed
It also occurred to me that Nickel has a large magnetostrictive property, so
if there's an alternating magnetic field in the reaction chamber, the nickel
would be alternately expanding and contracting, so when it's expanded it
could absorb some hydrogen, then when it contracts, that's squeezed.
I
My graphs are now present at these URLs:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiGraph.png
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2Pout.png
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2_RF.png
The last one was updated to provide a better Y axis.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
A ton of water went through the heat exchanger -- but we don't know
whether it heated up AT ALL.
Oh give me a break Alan! Seriously, get real. There was STEAM going in one
side and TAP WATER going in the other. How could it not be heated up AT
ALL?!? What
I wrote:
You can quibble about how much boiling water there was, but it had to be
enough for Lewan to hear it, and to make the insulated reactor surface. It
wasn't 50 ml, that's for sure. It had to be a substantial amount.
Meant: . . . and to make the insulated reactor surface HOT. The
Alright, if it's conclusive without the thermocouples
Does anyone have a decent water capacity for the E-Cat? I see that H.H.
calculated 14.2 liters, but has there been any confirmed number out of the
Rossi camp?
I only ask, because multiple references have been made to tons of cooling
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Does anyone have a decent water capacity for the E-Cat? I see that H.H.
calculated 14.2 liters, but has there been any confirmed number out of the
Rossi camp?
I only ask, because multiple references have been made to tons of cooling
water
The rapid overfilling was at .91 grams/second (It turns out the 1.92 g/s was
for quenching)
I've wanted to look at these numbers, and back-of-the-envelope, 381 watts
would raise the water entering the E-Cat by 100 degrees (from 24 to 124 degrees
C).
An additional 2,056 watts is required for
I am happily amazed to see a wonderful confirmation of my own good
intentions mirrored back to me within today's dream unfoldment within
my own realm of evolving yet changeless awareness-being...
A Zen saying: two thieves who happen to meet one another by chance at
night in a wealthy target urban
A thermal imaging camera would have made this visually clear to
people who were not present and could not feel heat.
Maybe bring one or a few such cameras to the next test?
Harry
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
You can quibble about how
On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Here are some charts of possible interest.
Thanks!
Put the first one up there too, in jpg or pgn format.
I don't understand why your renditions come out so small but the
images are sharp so
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