[Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
In my continuing seris of Posts, I will touch on the issue of Genetic Improbablity. The article below probably best describes this problem of genetic improbability. The Paper is a well-cited paper and should be worthy of sciencific acceptance from open minded folks here: From The

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
This retrograde mailing system is screwing with my posts. The numbers are not appearing correctly in the Web Interface and would cause people to get confused.Whenever you see a probability number, it should be a number Raised to the other number. hence, 108 should be 10 raised to the 8 or

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Colin Hercus
Hi Jojo, I think you need to rethink your maths, if the earth has been here 4billion years (according to science) then what is the chance there is life. First if we just have one self replicate molecule, simple DNA or RNa and that molecule spreads through the seas then we could have billions of

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
Your argument is with evolutionists whose papers are cited in the References of this paper. They are the one who came up with this probabilities. Don't you think they have not considered what you were thinking here? They have, and have come up with these probability numbers. The numbers do

Re: [Vo]:Curiosity

2012-08-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
My wife and I stayed up to share in the seven-minutes-of-terror vigil. It was 12:30 PM CST when it touched down. It was hart warming to see the Curiosity Ground Support crew leap up in absolute pandemonium cheering and hugging each other as signal came through confirming the fact that the little

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: This retrograde mailing system is screwing with my posts. The numbers are not appearing correctly in the Web Interface and would cause people to get confused.Whenever you see a probability number, it should be a number

Re: [Vo]:Curiosity

2012-08-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:24 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: My wife and I stayed up to share in the seven-minutes-of-terror vigil. It was 12:30 PM CST when it touched down. It was hart warming to see the Curiosity Ground Support crew leap up in absolute

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: I rest my case. That is a snide, content-free response. I suggest you un-rest your case. I suggest you do your homework. Learn about cold fusion before writing about it. You article reminds me of the sort of thing some reporters wrote about the Wright brothers

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, I happen to be at the Kitty Hawk, NC beach today so i am channeling your thoughts. The only planes flying overhead today are pulling banners selling Geico insurance. You are obviously one of the better resources for all scientific documents and history associated with anomalous heat. I

Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85

2012-08-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Daniel, I apologize. As I wrote the message, your contribution was indented. That was somehow lost. Looking carefully, I see that the quotation marker is missing from your intented material in my original copy, and then the indent itself disappears from what appeared in Vortex. I'm not sure I

Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I don't see Krivits action there as fairly characterized as attempting to promote WL theory. Hey, I was just making a minor kvetch! Overall it was a nice

Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85

2012-08-06 Thread James Bowery
The exact quote from Beaudette at 40:50 into the mp3 recording linked below: If Pons and Fleischmann would be so cooperative today as to conveniently die, tomorrow, I suspect, the most prominent critics would say, 'Well, maybe its time now to give the field a second look.' On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at

RE: [Vo]:LENR Heat Vs. Coal Heat

2012-08-06 Thread Finlay MacNab
The 6000:1 figure is close to correct. The cross sectional area of the earth is 127.8 million km^2. Each km^2 receives a approximately a gigawatt of solar radiation. In one hour the earth receives 127 thousand terawatt hours of energy. Which is approximately the global consumption of energy

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:31 PM 8/5/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote: Jed and Craig, It's interesting that you both want the mainstream media to pay attention to cold fusion yet you complain when we don't write *exactly* as you think we should write. You complain endlessly about sloppy journalism and how the theories

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Agreed, This is the same basic process and also related to sonoluminescence but totally gaseous medium where the environment forms the needed geometry and the catalytic gas through natural self assembly based on the nature of the gases with changes in pressure. The gas

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread pagnucco
Axil, I am not acquainted with this engine. You wrote - After several thousand hours the gases lose structure and their elasticity. Does this mean there are transmutations that change gas composition Has anyone look at the ash (both gas and cylinder walls)? Is there dielectric breakdown

Re: [Vo]:Real satellite photo of Curiosity using parachute!

2012-08-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia15978b.html That is absolutely fascinating. Thanks! Looks like we could have Skynet on Mars before Earth. T

Re: [Vo]:LENR Heat Vs. Coal Heat - 6000:1

2012-08-06 Thread David L Babcock
Dave: Went back to Wikipedia, got you this URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption I think the data is all there, just needs the calculation of the ratio. I remember calculating the number of square yards of the earth that faced the Sun, and I remember being 2x off the first

Re: [Vo]:Real satellite photo of Curiosity using parachute!

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
That is astounding. The whole thing is astounding. I wonder if they planned to have Orbiter there? Here is the scene at the JPL when the vehicle landed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlo0wHx9bk Geek heaven! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!]]

2012-08-06 Thread ecat builder
Hi Reliable, Do you have any more details about the Bloke who saw the noble gas engine that purred like a kitten? John the inventor claims that it runs, even purrs.. He also seems to hint that it is an over-unity device (recharge your car once a year). And also says they are building a kit for

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:18 AM 8/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: In my continuing seris of Posts, I will touch on the issue of Genetic Improbablity. The article below probably best describes this problem of genetic improbability. The Paper is a well-cited paper and should be worthy of sciencific acceptance from open

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I happen to be at the Kitty Hawk, NC beach today so i am channeling your thoughts. What a great place! I love that that they have a small airfield next to the historic site. I suggest instead of alienating Mark, which you have obviously already

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Chemical Engineer
Abd, Great informative post with ego left out unlike others. On Monday, August 6, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 09:31 PM 8/5/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote: Jed and Craig, It's interesting that you both want the mainstream media to pay attention to cold fusion yet you complain when we don't

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Axil Axil
*Does this mean there are transmutations that change gas composition* The Papp engine produced a brown substance. Kettner believes that neon was being transmuted. No transmutation information is released about the Kettner engine. The Papp engine is primitive and is substantively different in

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Axil Axil
A continuation of the video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkX69BA35_Afeature=player_embedded Axil On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Noble Gas Plasma Engine * In the 1980s, Joseph Papp was granted US Patent No. 3,670,494 for his “Noble Gas Plasma

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Axil Axil
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOwmDZX5Zgfeature=relmfu On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: A continuation of the video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkX69BA35_Afeature=player_embedded Axil On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:LENR Heat Vs. Coal Heat - 6000:1

2012-08-06 Thread David Roberson
Good job Bab. I have been attempting to improve my guess as well. The data is available, but fairly well hidden and at the moment, you seem to have a better WAG. Here is how my thoughts line up at this time: Carbon in Earth's total atmosphere: .8286 x 10 ^ 15 kilograms. Derived from

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:18 AM 8/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: From The Myth of Natural Origins; How Science Points to Divine Creation Ashby Camp, Ktisis Publishing, Tempe, Arizona, 1994, pp. 53-57, used by permission. Summarizing his and Hoyle's analysis of the mechanism of evolution, Wickramasinghe states:

Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85

2012-08-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-04 22:36, Daniel Rocha wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/04/fleischmann-dead-at-85-end-of-an-era/ Here's an article from The Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54640856-78/fleischmann-fusion-cold-pons.html.csp Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an article from The Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/**news/54640856-78/fleischmann-** fusion-cold-pons.html.csphttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54640856-78/fleischmann-fusion-cold-pons.html.csp Yikes. That one is

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
Abd, I appreciate your comments. After reading your post below and rereading it and rereading it several times, I am still at a lost on what you are contending. Please restate your contentions in simpler prose that dumb people like me can understand. Yes, While we know that amino acids can

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:17 AM 8/6/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: I have been following for a year and half but it is still very confusing to me what the repeatable results are. To me the anomalous heat could include anything from nanomagnetism, LENR, CANR, ZPE, vacuum energy, Hawking Radiation (my theory),

[Vo]:The literature is confusing. That's why I recommend . . .

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: CE, you haven't paid adequate attention. I'll say this much for you, the literature can be confusing. I agree it is confusing, and this is a problem. That is why on the main page and Introduction page I recommend papers such as Storms and

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Axil Axil
The Rossi reactor is already obsolete. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=L7wZqDQ7Pjg This video shows the Papp engine under a *dynamometer* test with narration and introduction by Jimmy Sabori. A high efficiency linear generator can be integrated into the design of

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread pagnucco
Axil, I watched the videos you referenced. If correct, the over-unity claims should be very easy to verify. -- Lou Pagnucco Axil wrote: The Rossi reactor is already obsolete. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=L7wZqDQ7Pjg This video shows the Papp engine under a

[Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not mean to beat a dead horse, but mass media blather causes more harm than you might realize. It destroys the credibility of researchers. The problem is, professionals often read the mass media account and assume it is an accurate report of what the researchers said. Take this latest

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
Jed, Obama was indeed NOT born in Hawaii. If he was, why the fake Birth Certificate? Why hide his Birth Certificate for so long? Once again, I find myself having to correct your misinformation. You like taking pot shots and insult those you disagree with, using these one liners. Jojo

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jojo, are you serious? You seem to adopt only views of the American conspiratorial right. You seem to play with the stereotyped red-neck, those we see in films and cartoons. 2012/8/6 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** Jed, Obama was indeed NOT born in Hawaii. If he was, why the fake Birth

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
It's no longer a conspiracy from the right when 70% of Americans feel he should present it, andobama himself refuses to release his birth certificate. I talking about the real one, not the photoshoped version he's been parotting to gullible people like you and Jed. Goodness, every American is

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-06 Thread Axil Axil
The solution to your frustrations is easy. In six months when the papp engine is for sale on the market, we all here will contribute a nominal amount to motivate the purchase of a Papp engine together with its installation in your car by an auto customizer. You are rich by your own admission and

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread David Roberson
I watched these as well and have to wonder if this is real. How could a system with these characteristics not attract more attention from the auto industry? Dave -Original Message- From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:13 pm

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Axil Axil
You saw the engine working with your own eyes and can get a demo kit for $350. I will be looking for reaction reports about the demo kit on the net. But I want to believe, and yet it is just too cool to be true. Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs article is annoying

2012-08-06 Thread Chemical Engineer
Abd, First off, thank you for sharing your thoughts, you have a gift with words. We all filter the world thru our own beliefs and exerience. I have worked as a consulting engineer in industry for the past 21 years and 5 years prior installing industrial control systems. The bulk of my

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Chemical Engineer
Axil, I believe that light is from a quantum singularity evaporating while feeding off your rydberg matter. A perfect e=mc2 engine. See my grand unification theory of cold fusion just posted. On Monday, August 6, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: The Rossi reactor is already obsolete. Joseph Papp:

Re: [Vo]:The literature is confusing. That's why I recommend . . .

2012-08-06 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, Thanks, I have read Ed's guide and found it very easy to understand and very informative. He mentions there is only one pathway (other than fission) to release that level of energy - Fusion, while I believe there is another which better explains the phenomenon seen across the board - the

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-06 Thread Chemical Engineer
Quantum singularities are either created in these events or WIMPS awaken that consume matter and antimatter and can eject antimatter ions as well as gammas. It is not fusion or lenr, it is the evaporation of the singularity causing this. WL theory is wrong On Tuesday, August 7, 2012, wrote:

Re: [Vo]:The Fallacis of Darwinian Evolution - Genetic Improbability

2012-08-06 Thread Colin Hercus
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Abd, I appreciate your comments. After reading your post below and rereading it and rereading it several times, I am still at a lost on what you are contending. Please restate your contentions in simpler prose that dumb