Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Axil Axil
Gold can come in many colors. Since ancient times, glass artists and alchemists alike have known how to grind the metal into fine particles that would take on hues such as red or mauve. Carbon nanotubes are the same, different sizes shade water in different colors. At scales even smaller,

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Hey, if you can build superatoms why not make the collapse and explode, triggering secondary fusion and fission reactions. I'm just say'n... *Form Of Matter Shows Ability To Collapse Explode* Led by CU-Boulder Distinguished Physics Professor Carl Wieman and NIST Senior Scientist Eric Cornell,

[Vo]:Wood is the new material

2012-08-26 Thread Michele Comitini
A classical example of an old material that turns out to be incredibly hi-tech. Don't throw sawdust away... http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528786.100-why-wood-pulp-is-worlds-new-wonder-material.html mic

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Fang Sen
No, no Axil, 1. Storms ballet ok: http://coldfusionnow.org/an-explanation-of-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion-by-edmund-storms/ See the dance line of hydrogen atoms oscillating in the crack as illustraited by the Gif representation in time frame 22:21 of the Carat interview. BUT

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

2012-08-26 Thread James Bowery
My question has been deleted from PESN. No answer to the question is evident. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:18 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: In Part I: My Concerns About Inteligentryhttp://pesn.com/2012/08/21/9602163_Part_I--My_Concerns_About_Inteligentry/ Sterling Alan asserts:

RE: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
Before getting too worked up over the superatom, remember that it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam. BTW - even Stirling Allan is covering his backside on this scam and apparently now believes

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
There's a lesson here: If indeed the Papp effect is simply due to induced eddy currents in th aluminum ring, it goes to show that even a seasoned, experienced and highly qualified doctor like Mike McKubre could be taken in by clever tricks. All the more reason to be more careful. Jojo

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jones, I like your description. I liken it to a hot condensate under extreme pressure and temperature within a void) If you relieve pressure quickly (structural failure of the lattice containing it) it might flash matter to achieve a new equilibrium. Just food for thought. On Sunday, August

RE: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, Stewart – good point - and it does not have to be complete structural failure of the cavity. A former contributor here, Michel Julian, notoriously described this mechanism “the sphincter effect” … which is decidedly not food for thought. Whatever happened to Michel anyway? When a

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

2012-08-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: My question has been deleted from PESN. No answer to the question is evident. I assume you mean the question you posted here was what you asked on PESN. They deleted it?!? That's terrible. That's irresponsible. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Axil Axil
*…it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam.* It is possible that the papp engine can work and also be used in SCAMs by both papp and J. Rohner. It would be a crime against humanity to through the baby

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
If Structural failure is what you want to achieve, that can be done rather easily with my idea of carbon nanohorm mats. All you have to do is pump a larger amount of electrical spark energy and that would burn up and totally blow up the CNT. Would that provide the dynamic casimer effect. The

RE: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
Yup. That could work, with or without failure. It cannot hurt that the CNT will have some kind of local superconductivity. Nano rail gun ??? From: Jojo Jaro If Structural failure is what you want to achieve, that can be done rather easily with my idea of carbon nanohorm mats.

[Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree, just one micro void collapse triggering a flash of ultra hot radiation as the condensate restabilizes or evaporates completely. The more voids of the correct size the more the effect is seen. The up pumping could be the added energy from quantum scale gravity further collapsing the

[Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree, just one micro void collapse triggering a flash of ultra hot radiation as the condensate restabilizes or evaporates completely. The more voids of the correct size the more the effect is seen. The up pumping could be the added energy from quantum scale gravity further collapsing the

Re: [Vo]:Wood is the new material

2012-08-26 Thread Harry Veeder
If oil is not needed for fuel and plastics, what markets will be left for the oil industry? lubricants? harry On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: A classical example of an old material that turns out to be incredibly hi-tech. Don't throw

Re: [Vo]:Wood is the new material

2012-08-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If oil is not needed for fuel and plastics, what markets will be left for the oil industry? lubricants? Fertilizer. T

Re: [Vo]:Wood is the new material

2012-08-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If oil is not needed for fuel and plastics, what markets will be left for the oil industry? With cold fusion I predict there will be no markets left for the oil industry. It will eventually be cheaper, safer and easier to manufacture hydrocarbons on

Re: [Vo]:Wood is the new material

2012-08-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Even now they make oil from organic waste with depolymerization. Note that this has a negative cost. They pay you to take the raw materials. For example, a turkey processing plant paid someone to set up a small depolymerization to convert the waste into high grade oil. It is

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

2012-08-26 Thread James Bowery
Yes. That question was first posted to PESN, then here to vortex-l. It was there, at PESN for while. I have repeatedly tried to locate it to no avail. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: My question has been

[Vo]:McKubre in New Scientist

2012-08-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528797.100-can-cold-fusion-research-survive-pioneers-death.html I cannot get the full article, because I am not a subscriber. Mike is wrong about the Planck quote. That's not what Max meant. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:10 PM 8/23/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:15:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] Dead moving pixies? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2192008/Are-Martian-

Re: [Vo]:Superatoms

2012-08-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
The experiments led by Randall Hulet at Rice University from 1995 through 2000 showed that lithium condensates with attractive interactions could stably exist, but only up to a certain critical atom number. Beyond this critical number, the attraction overwhelmed the zero-point energy of the

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread James Bowery
Speaking as someone who ran the software development for automated inspection of ordnance at SAIC: You always want to characterize your sensors to the greatest degree that resources permit. In this case, where you've just spent billions to get the sensor into service, and you are dealing with

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

2012-08-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:54 AM 8/26/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: James Bowery mailto:jabow...@gmail.comjabow...@gmail.com wrote: My question has been deleted from PESN. No answer to the question is evident. I assume you mean the question you posted here was what you asked on PESN. They deleted it?!? That's

[Vo]:Closeup video of Celani's portable demo Ni-H reactor

2012-08-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, I just happened to find this video showing in great detail (at 1080p) Celani's portable demo shown at ICCF17 and NIWeek2012. This might turn out useful for some people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN4VK82Mngc Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:McKubre in New Scientist

2012-08-26 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I have used that quote myself many times, always in the sense that author Cartwright says is incorrect. So I sent him a polite email asking why he believed that the more conventional interpretation is the wrong one. I will email the list if I get a response. Jeff On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:23

Re: [Vo]:McKubre in New Scientist

2012-08-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I have used that quote myself many times, always in the sense that author Cartwright says is incorrect. I think the author is McKubre. Anyway, here is a more complete version of the quote, from the intro to my book: . . . as Max Planck put it, progress

Re: [Vo]:McKubre in New Scientist

2012-08-26 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I see your point. Glad I was polite. I will follow up with him. Jeff On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I have used that quote myself many times, always in the sense that author Cartwright says is incorrect. I

[Vo]:Hal Fox Obit

2012-08-26 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?page=lifestorypid=159356226#fbLoggedOut

Re: [Vo]:Hal Fox Obit

2012-08-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?page=lifestorypid=159356226#fbLoggedOut I could not find a direct link for Hal's Journal of New Energy. Many are available here:

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

2012-08-26 Thread James Bowery
Abd, I asked the first question because I believed it to be true. When the reporter is present, making the claim based upon his spade work, in asking him a question I am not obliged to go do spade work through hours of video tapes that I have watched and pages upon pages of prose I've skimmed if

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-26 Thread Eric Walker
Le Aug 23, 2012 à 10:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit : http://cdn.intechweb.org/pdfs/17002.pdf The above paper attempts to prove that carbon nanotubes are superconductive at very high temperatures by imbedding nickel nanoparticles in the outside wall of a multi walled nanotube

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:27:33 -0500: Hi, [snip] Yes. Pixels in image sensors can be marginal or noisy, plus we may be seeing artifacts of how images are combined from pixels. Analysis of the raw data would show, through statistical analysis. ...and how

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread Eric Walker
Le Aug 26, 2012 à 2:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com a écrit : BTW what happened to the part that lowered Curiosity to the surface then took off? Could it now be in orbit? Was something left in orbit to relay radio signals? I think it crashed somewhere nearby and sent up a plume of dust that was

RE: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
All in all, this Zhao paper reinforces the strategy of JoJo and/or anyone else who may be considering it - to work with hydrogen and CNT. I hope that a number of experimenters can get hold of adequate material to try, and will report results, even if negative. If you want to tie this paper into

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Was something left in orbit to relay radio signals? Yes, Odyssey: Odyssey and Curiosity Odyssey now acts as a relay for UHF radio signals from the Mars Science Laboratory rover Curiosity [9]. Several days before the MSL's landing in

Re: [Vo]:McKubre in New Scientist

2012-08-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:23 PM 8/26/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528797.100-can-cold-fusion-research-survive-pioneers-death.htmlhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528797.100-can-cold-fusion-research-survive-pioneers-death.html I cannot get the full article, because

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:15 PM 8/26/2012, James Bowery wrote: Speaking as someone who ran the software development for automated inspection of ordnance at SAIC: You always want to characterize your sensors to the greatest degree that resources permit. In this case, where you've just spent billions to get the

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

2012-08-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:53:28 -0400: Hi, So the moving object in the first series of photos could be Odyssey. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Was something left in orbit to relay radio signals? Yes, Odyssey: Odyssey and

Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King

2012-08-26 Thread Franco Talari
Jones, I don't understand how you can call 2 protons (which combine to form a bosonic quasiparticle) a 'condensate' (transient or otherwise) since protons are Fermions and only 1 quasiparticle boson is formed from 2 protons. A single boson (pair of protons) is not a condensate. In Kim's

Re: [Vo]:Hal Fox Obit

2012-08-26 Thread Peter Gluck
The Lady with the Scythe has apparently acquired now the habit to take the old cold fusioneers. I will ask Her to slow down a bit, we are already at the border of the Promised LENR+ Land. Unfortunately, my old friend Hal could not enter there despite his great merits. I wrote about him when after