Re: [Vo]:Ever-vigilant Wikipedia editors

2014-05-02 Thread Andy Findlay
Note also, that the first external link on the Mizuno page actually names the lenr-canr site: External links Nuclear Transmutation: The Reality of Cold Fusion - LENR-CANR Plasma Electrolysis Atomic Energy Society of Japan

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Steve High
One thing that's different about this free energy scheme is how easy it would be to close the loop ie use the output to provide the input and disconnect the system from any power supply. My assumption is that a gas powered generator could be or already has been modified to run on hydrogen gas.

[Vo]:Pasadena: Theater Arts at Caltech dramatizes the discovery and debunking of “cold fusion” (bring tomatoes)

2014-05-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
for people interested: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/307-Pasadena-Theater-Arts-at-Caltech-dramatizes-the-discovery-and-debunking-of-%E2%80%9Ccold/?postID=590#post590 a nasty anti-cold fusion theater play in pasadena… If some US informed dweller can inform them, before I send

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Roarty, Francis X
It is intriguing that they seem to be shotgunnning every approach to force an anomaly out of the mix but for a 400x gain to happen in an ongoing repeatable gas producing system it has to be either a mistake or they have instead exploited the self destructive mechanism that all the other

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread David Roberson
If hydrogen is the output gas derived from oxygen, how much risk is there for explosion? The mixture of these gases is highly explosive at just about any concentration of hydrogen. Dave -Original Message- From: Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com To: vortex-l

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Pasadena: Theater Arts at Caltech dramatizes the discovery and debunking of “cold fusion” (bring tomatoes)

2014-05-02 Thread Ruby
I wish I could go down there and lay a load of calendars on their sorry art. Ruby On 5/2/14, 5:53 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: for people interested:

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Pasadena: Theater Arts at Caltech dramatizes the discovery and debunking of “cold fusion” (bring tomatoes)

2014-05-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
I believe that play has been around for a while. I heard about it years ago. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC iRobot Ava 500 virtual presence robot

2014-05-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is yet another virtual presence robot demo, even creepier than the others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtOvY3p0stI I guess it is mainly the novelty of it that creeps me out. People are usually afraid of novelty, even me. - Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
Yesterday Rossi (on his reader blog) indicated that the third party tests would not be reported before June. Vortexers have at least another month to speculate on the mechanism of the Ni-H Rossi Effect. However it may be quite bit longer, depending upon patent disclosure strategy. What are

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: If hydrogen is the output gas derived from oxygen, how much risk is there for explosion? The mixture of these gases is highly explosive at just about any concentration of hydrogen. Reference:

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC iRobot Ava 500 virtual presence robot

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
Privacy is nil in this day and age of snooping. Until Google or someone else get a good encryption scheme working it won't catch on. NSA and others like it are always a step ahead: For me that is the creepiest. Bob - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To:

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
Why is there so much nitrogen in the gas output and so little oxygen? Nitrogen (14N) is a notoriously non-reactive LENR gas because it has a non-zero nuclear spin, whereas oxygen (16O) is a wonderful LENR gas because its nuclear spin is zero. The cavitation based reaction in the SHT system must

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
How much energy does it take to make TETA? Its an old radioactive chelating agent and not cheap used in decontamination. However, it production costs may have improved since the time we used it. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Friday, May 02,

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
- Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen? Why is there so much nitrogen in the gas output and so little oxygen? Nitrogen (14N) is a notoriously non-reactive LENR gas because it has a

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
TETA is an amine and has lots of N in its composition. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen? Why is there so much nitrogen in the gas output and so little oxygen? Nitrogen (14N) is

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
From the large percentage amount of nitrogen in the gas flow, the consumption rate of the nitrogen carrying compound must by fierce. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: TETA is an amine and has lots of N in its composition. Bob - Original Message

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC iRobot Ava 500 virtual presence robot

2014-05-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Privacy is nil in this day and age of snooping. Until Google or someone else get a good encryption scheme working it won't catch on. NSA and others like it are always a step ahead: For me that is the creepiest. Privacy is indeed a thing of the past.

RE: [Vo]:Electron Repulsion Versus Distance

2014-05-02 Thread Chris Zell
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2001/0040434.html I assume you are familiar with Lawrence Nelson's patents in regard to screened electrons. From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 2:36 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: How much energy does it take to make TETA? Its an old radioactive chelating agent and not cheap used in decontamination. However, it production costs may have improved since the time we used it US $20-22 / *Liter* *(

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread Ken Deboer
FUTURE? I'd like to throw in a couple of general comments on the current trend of this Forum and LENR in general (Just as a cheerleader, since I am totally incapable of contributing or even understanding the technical details). Despite no real evidence of any imminent breakthrough, still, we

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread Ken Deboer
Whoops, accidentally interrupted my above message. To conclude: That unraveling will, of course, take some great deal more effort, as well as probably a great deal of time and money, even though we all hope(d) that it could be carried off by the 'underground'. Lennart Thomas seems to have a

Re: [Vo]:Electron Repulsion Versus Distance

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
That device does not look like a two dimensional system as LENR is. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2001/0040434.html I assume you are familiar with Lawrence Nelson's patents in regard to screened electrons.

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC iRobot Ava 500 virtual presence robot

2014-05-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it is mainly the novelty of it that creeps me out. It's called the uncanny valley: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley‎

Re: [Vo]:Electron Repulsion Versus Distance

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
I was not familiar with Nelson's invention. I am now. Its an interesting patent. However the discussion is ambiguous as to whether on not it creates usable energy over and above the energy needed to power the magnetic field and the electron gun used to create a cloud of electrons- - parts

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/47 Focus: Why We Can’t Remember the Future In absolute certainty, LENR exists in the future; it is predestined because it will eventually be discovered just like any major operating principle of the universe must ultimately be. But how can we remember how

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread James Bowery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W67qnktk_8#t=947 On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/47 Focus: Why We Can’t Remember the Future In absolute certainty, LENR exists in the future; it is predestined because it will

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread James Bowery
Sorry, I just couldn't resist, Axil. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:45 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W67qnktk_8#t=947 On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/47 Focus: Why We Can’t

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread Bob Cook
James-- Did you forget what you couldn't resist because the resistance was too great and it didn't happen. Bob - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June-- Sorry, I just

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 2 May 2014 16:28:20 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: How much energy does it take to make TETA? Its an old radioactive chelating agent and not cheap used in decontamination. However, it

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

2014-05-02 Thread Axil Axil
Take a look at the third party test results. http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_Solar-Hydrogen-Trends_revolutionizing-all-energy/SHT_performance%20_test.pdf I could not find how long this test ran. On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:07 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi Effect Not Before June--

2014-05-02 Thread James Bowery
No I think the resistence went beyond superconducting to negative resistance and overcome the flow of time. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: James-- Did you forget what you couldn't resist because the resistance was too great and it didn't happen.