That device does not look like a two dimensional system as LENR is.
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Chris Zell <chrisz...@wetmtv.com> wrote: > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2001/0040434.html > > I assume you are familiar with Lawrence Nelson's patents in regard to > screened electrons. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 01, 2014 2:36 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Electron Repulsion Versus Distance > > Axil-- > > The Nature abstract, which I quoted, states that the that..."the formation > of composite fermions resulting in a weak attractive interaction." > > Why didn't the authors make this screening clear? > > From what you say the anyons are not composite Fermions but quasiholes. I > can understand that and even suggested that as a possible screening > effect. > > Why doesn't the abstract say this. That's the reason I thought it was > merely hand waving. > > Universal acceptance is pretty absolute. I doubt your inference is > accurate. It sounded to me that the authors did not accept Cooper pairing > mechanism as a possibility. I wonder if it is referenced in the full > article? If you have the full article at hand, maybe you could answer > this question. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Electron Repulsion Versus Distance > > Bob said: > > The following quote from the abstract cited below from Nature seems like a > lot of hand waving to me. > > Axil says: > > From what I can tell, this theory of how the fractional quantum hall > effect(FQHE) works is universally accepted in science and is one of the > backbone theories of how cooper pairs of electrons form in a superconductor, > > Bob said: > > "In effect, the repulsive Coulomb interaction between electrons is > overscreened in the = 5/2 state by the formation of composite fermions, > resulting in a weak, attractive interaction." > > Overscreened by what? > > Axil says: > > A magnetic field will produce a pair of vortexes of magnetic flux that > connects themselves to the electron. As the magnetic field increases, > addition pairs of vortexes are created in quantum steps. > > These are Anyons > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyon > > “In physics, an anyon is a type of particle that occurs only in > two-dimensional systems, with properties much less restricted than fermions > and bosons; the operation of exchanging two identical particles may cause a > global phase shift but cannot affect observables. Anyons are generally > classified as abelian or non-abelian, as explained below.” > > These vortexes are also called quasiholes. They have fractional positive > charge. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_quantum_Hall_effect > > “Laughlin states and fractionally-charged quasiparticles: this theory, > proposed by Laughlin, is based on accurate trial wave functions for the > ground state at fraction as well as its quasiparticle and quasihole > excitations. The excitations have fractional charge of magnitude e=c/q.” > > Bob asks: > > A positive Coulomb charge? > > Axil answers: > > Yes, a fractional positive charge. > > Bob asks: > > Or maybe holes in the electron sea that seem a little positive with > respect to the rest of the sea? > > Axil answers: > > Yes. These are quasiholes that form in a two dimensional system in the > vacuum by a magnetic field and connect themselves to the electron. > > GOOGLE quasiholes to see the theory behind the concept and observe how > much work has gone into this theory. > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Axil and Dave-- >> >> The following quote from the abstract cited below from Nature seems like >> a lot of hand waving to me. >> >> "In effect, the repulsive Coulomb interaction between electrons is >> overscreened in the [image: nu] = 5/2 state by the formation of >> composite fermions, resulting in a weak, attractive interaction." >> >> Overscreened by what? A positive Coulomb charge? Or maybe holes in the >> electron sea that seem a little positive with respect to the rest of the >> sea? It seems that whatever is causing the attraction must get between the >> two particles being paired if its a screening effect. >> >> I think it is more likely that the charge of an electron is distributed >> over a volume--at least the source of the virtual photons that carry the >> force from an electron emanate from a volume of the electron. As the >> volumes of the pairing electrons coincide there is a reduced repulsive >> force, since the centers are inside the surface of each of the respective >> electron's spherical surfaces and the virtual photons can have no effect of >> force on the center of mass of either electron. Of course TMK no one >> knows the volume or the structure of an electron nor the charge density as >> the radius goes to 0 radius at the effective center. The spin attraction >> is a much shorter range force and acts within the spherical boundaries of >> the electrons. >> >> >> >> > >
