At 01:48 AM 8/4/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
I'm paying very little attention to any of the cold
fusion stuff now, assessing that nothing yet is independently
reproducible to refute the null hypothesis of no anomalies...
There is a large body of data showing independent reproducibility for
cold
At 01:48 AM 8/4/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright
My sense is that most cold fusion researchers have become quite
skeptical about Rossi. A few are supportive, but mostly this boils
down to them thinking that Rossi's claim confirms their own
understanding of Ni-H.
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
At 01:48 AM 8/4/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright
My sense is that most cold fusion researchers have become quite skeptical
about Rossi.
You have surveyed them? Could you list those
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
By the way, the 18-hour test, on its own, certainly seems convincing, but
the problem is that we can't trust it.
It's seems to me that most of the people talking about Rossi-Focardi
would like to have a proof given
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
My sense is that most cold fusion researchers have become quite skeptical
about Rossi.
As Terry said, you have not conducted a public opinion poll so you have no
basis for having this sense. At ICCF-16 and later I spoke with several
people who
Well, Jed, maybe you're right at the cusp of a complete
switch of your gestalt of understandings re the Rossi
phenomenon -- a little more likely when waking up in the
morning, you notice your entire system of interpretations
has irrevocably reversed, like a 3D shift in the way a
wire cube
Just to clarify:
I said:
...If Mr. Murray's propensity to exploit pop psychology persists
I think it may warrant a temporary time out from the Vort sand box.
What I meant to say is that if Mr. Murray's propensity to exploit pop
psychology IN ATTEMPTS TO DESCRIBE PERSONALLY PERCEIVED FAULTS IN
Ironic, yet natural, that what Abd is trying to catalyze Jed to
understand about Rossi, Rich is trying to catalyze Abd to understand
about all cold fusion claims to date -- rather than continue to
blather forever about claims that go back 22 years, let's consider
whether any evidence has been
From Rich:
The following is obviously abbreviated and probably taken out of context:
...rather than continue to blather forever about claims that go back 22 years,
Ah, I see the blather word is now being used to explain CF claims
for the past 22 years.
Look, Rich, expressing your skepticism
as mighty mensch, I don't try to catalyze,
I do catalyze...
these are tough big boys, highly competent at maintaining their own,
happy to play on multiple levels...
In mutual service, Rich
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Well, Jed, maybe you're right at the cusp of a complete
If Mr.
Murray's propensity to exploit pop psychology persists I think it may
warrant a temporary time out from the Vort sand box.
The text is about me. It seems harmless. I auto-delete Murray's
At 01:57 PM 8/4/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
Except that the data recorded in a boiler test is EXACTLY what you
see here, for crying out loud!
To be more specific, I mean that they record only one value for
temperature and one for the flow, even though these values probably
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Imagining that testing an experimental device with unknown operating
characteristics can be handled with a boiler form is what's preposterous.
The operating characteristics are not unknown. They are readily apparent.
Anyone can the thing produces
At 02:32 PM 8/4/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
No boiler is designed to create very wet steam
as a possibility. Now, the 18-hour test doesn't
involve steam. That was the point. But no
boiler will be tested with water at a liter per second!
That is incorrect. A large
At 07:51 AM 8/5/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
At 01:48 AM 8/4/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright
My sense is that most cold fusion researchers have become quite skeptical
about Rossi.
Rich,
I see Mr. Rothwell has found his own unique way of assessing your
assessments of his alleged faults.
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch
...the Yiddish term mensch means a person of integrity and honor.
Actually, your response is somewhat cryptic and open to
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
No boiler would be tested with absolute maximum possible flow rate, raising
the temperature only five degrees, with the measurement being taken inside
the boiler, instead of external to it.
That is incorrect. I have seen people do boiler tests
Re: “DESCRIBE PERSONALLY PERCEIVED FAULTS IN OTHERS”
This predisposition of many mainstream critics of out-of-the-box thinkers as
abnormal and aberrant is deeply rooted in human nature as an evolutionary
adaptation fostered by natural selection to enhance the survival of the
race.
The
At 09:15 AM 8/5/2011, Enzo wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
By the way, the 18-hour test, on its own, certainly seems convincing, but
the problem is that we can't trust it.
It's seems to me that most of the people talking about
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
At 09:15 AM 8/5/2011, Enzo wrote:
1) Rossi-Focardi had given a private demonstration of their reactor to
the University of Bologna (the so called 18-hour test) which later
signed a contract to study the reactor.
eee, maybe Rich is a which doctor...
Yes, this describes Rich very well during his 69 years of life -- here
is his most recent epistle attempting to lure others into unusual
scientific researches:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: “DESCRIBE PERSONALLY PERCEIVED FAULTS IN OTHERS”
This
when someone appears within awareness who needs bread, then responses
flow giving bread, not stone -- however, the form of the bread varies
greatly, just as the form of the need varies greatly -- what flows
from me to others is at worse harmless in outcome, or at best,
liberating... if there seem
From Rich:
when someone appears within awareness who needs bread,
then responses flow giving bread, not stone -- however, the
form of the bread varies greatly, just as the form of the need
varies greatly -- what flows from me to others is at worse
harmless in outcome, or at best,
ah, a kindred soul! eloquent, profound, gentle, halarious, keen, subtle...
I accept all of your spontaneous power.
I let you all the way in,
For communication, cooperation, collaboration, communion, union,
Asking for help
To grow and serve timelessly limitlessly
As uniquely all of single
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From Rich,
-- being sincerely wrong is a really profound learning process.
Indeed it is. I don't know if Rossi is sincerely wrong about his eCats
or not. I don't know if believers of Rossi's claims are also
sincerely wrong about their assessments of the claims either. But the
same thing can be
At 06:30 PM 8/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Let me summarize:
I will, too.
If your best argument
Your is unspecified. Whose best argument?
against this data is the assertion that Lewan and I are incapable
of transcribing numbers correctly,
That's certainly not my argument. Period.
or
At 06:24 PM 8/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Boiler test reports are a set of variables found by long experience
to indicate the operating health of a boiler. There is no way to
compare this report with a boiler test.
At 06:21 PM 8/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This is a science forum, not a courtroom.
Yes.
Frankly, it is damned insulting to suggest that I would lie about
these numbers, or that Lewan and are incapable of transcribing tape
recorded conversations (what he did), copying numbers out of
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
No boiler is designed to create very wet steam as a possibility. Now,
the 18-hour test doesn't involve steam. That was the point. But no
boiler will be tested with water at a liter per second!
That is incorrect. A large boiler will be tested at 1 L per second or
Well, Jed, maybe you're right at the cusp of a complete switch of your
gestalt of understandings re the Rossi phenomenon -- a little more
likely when waking up in the morning, you notice your entire system of
interpretations has irrevocably reversed, like a 3D shift in the way a
wire cube seems to
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
I do not think that any of the arguments against Rossi have merit,
especially not the ones that attempt to disprove the 18-hour flowing water
test.
What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated?
The data provided can be found
Oh! So the 18 hour test did not involve phase change, no steam! This is
surely amusing since one can hardly falsify that so easily with people that
are used to the usual tiny LENR effects. HAHA!
This is certaily AMAZING! So, if this is a scam, well, it is a HUGE ONE.
Now, Rossi really did
From Jed:
What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated?
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Jed, I realize it is probably redundant of me to express the following
but could you point readers to the specific article(s) you believe
make your point.
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
has a lot of entries. It might help to be more specific as to which
installment is most relevant to the point you are making. Is it the
18-hour demonstration?
Yup. Let me put a link to it:
It does strike me as just a tad obsessive to meticulously focus on
Rossi's Chiwawa and Shetland Pony demonstrations, which were nothing
more than trade shows - and then treat them as if they were valid
scientific experiments. No wonder skeptics have found fault with them.
Certainly, we would all
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled in by
an
inspector.
Dear Jed! Following your link I read:
A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures.
How would you call
Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote:
A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures.
How would you call that? Don’t be upset, but I would call that: „an
unpublished report of data of an anonymous source on a private webpage“.
Don’t you agree?
Call it anything
I wrote:
Why are Rossi and Levi hiding the notebook-files?
The make and model of the flowmeter. I asked them several times and they
ignored me.
I thought that said WHAT are Rossi and Levi hiding . . . The answer is:
they are hiding the type of flowmeter.
As to WHY they are hiding it I am
At 01:47 PM 8/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htmhttp://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Who wrote that? Whose testimony is it?
This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled
in by an inspector.
The inspector signs the
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm**http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Who wrote that? Whose testimony is it?
I wrote it! Who do you think? I talked to the people there and I wrote it.
If you don't like my version
At 02:10 PM 8/3/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
has a lot of entries. It might help to be more specific as to which
installment is most relevant to the point you are making. Is it the
18-hour demonstration?
In context, it would be. Much of that is
I wrote:
Oh please. Levi's by-line is in the NyTekNik article. Take it or leave it.
Cut the legalese.
I mean to say it is not his by-line; it is by Lewan, but it is ridiculous to
doubt it. Levi would have objected if he had been misquoted.
This legalistic speculation that the data in
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Boiler test reports are a set of variables found by long experience to
indicate the operating health of a boiler. There is no way to compare this
report with a boiler test.
Except that the data recorded in a boiler test is EXACTLY what you see
Let me summarize:
If your best argument against this data is the assertion that Lewan and I
are incapable of transcribing numbers correctly, or that Levi and the others
did not bother to check the published report in NyTekNik to be sure the
numbers are right, you have lost this debate.
Please
Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright with Jed about his inability to
integrate all the bad news about the Rossi debacle -- I'm interested
to see how the remaining publicly committed believers are attempting
to tough it out together, defiantly clinging to every tattered shred
of argument -- being
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