Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen

t; Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 1:12 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen Gravity waves are indeed the means for SETI communication as they travel at e8 times the speed of light as Tom van Flandern showed the speed was at least 2xe10 c or more! While the usual suspects heaped dogmatic

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conclusion as am I. Alas both Tom and Jean Pierre are passed but their ideas and wisdom have not. From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Bob

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On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: There is a more far fetched possibility - that of communications via > gravitational waves. There have been a number of papers talking about the > conversion of EM waves into gravitational waves in certain types of >

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Our experience seems to marginalize the relevance of "noise" quip - at least in the case of SETI. It all goes back to the starting assumptions. Of course SETI operates under the assumption that ET wants to contact us, as opposed to us wanting to eavesdrop on them. We can reasonably assume

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Bob Higgins wrote: Even more probable is the evolution to spread spectrum techniques. Look at > what has happened to a lot of our emissions - they have moved to spread > spectrum. This would no longer be detectable as an emission type that is > detectable by SETI

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wrote: > There is another possibility, i.e. that the reason for the short window is > not > self destruction, but rather that they discover FTL communication > techniques, > and stop broadcasting using EMF. > Here are my hypotheses: 1. Data broadcast by people in RF and

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Even more probable is the evolution to spread spectrum techniques. Look at what has happened to a lot of our emissions - they have moved to spread spectrum. This would no longer be detectable as an emission type that is detectable by SETI technology. We may migrate largely to a communications

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:16:05 -0800: Hi, [snip] >... estimate that there should be many advanced civilizations in the >Universe, a few of whom are close enough that we should be able to >communicate with them or at least catch glimpses of their broadcast

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:14:21 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Even if neutrons were required for the most energetic kind of >weaponization, dense hydrogen is similar enough to the neutron that it >could substitute -- and in the case of Holmlid - exceed by orders of

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Well Given the new realities of 2017 - I suggest that you remove the free edition, but re-kindle it with info on Rossigate and the "dark side" thread, charge $9.99 and call it the *Special**Trump edition for a Brave New World.* Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: First I

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Jones Beene wrote: > First I will give Jed a plug. This download to Kindle could be the best > buck you spend this year, even if you do not appreciate my contrarian > response to it: > > https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Future-Jed-Rothwell- > ebook/dp/B001RTSHZS/ > That is

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The Rothwellian theme (available on Kindle) which on closer examination perhaps is pre-Orwellian, can be called "the democratization of energy" ... but to the contrarian, it would explain an arcane detail which is troubling on several levels. ET can't call home. First I will give Jed a plug.

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Eric Walker wrote: > In addition to the possibilities that have been mentioned, there is > another that comes to mind should at some point LENR be harnessed as a > practical source of energy. Consider small, quiet drones the size of > hummingbirds, which are able to

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On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: I think the real concern for weaponization is not the first thought > everyone jumps to, which is explosive magnifier. > In addition to the possibilities that have been mentioned, there is another that comes to mind

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The detonation of a fission device includes the compression of the pit to 1/3 of its original volume. This compression is done using systemic explosives shockwaves. There is also neutron reflectors/amplifiers involved to keep neutrons inside the pit. In LENR, by their very nature, the lack of

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Russ George wrote: Whoa indeed, nanoseconds are way to slow for fission! So what? Who needs fission when you can achieve complete nuclear disintegration - as Holmlid claims to do with a small laser. With fission of U, the energy release per nucleon is in the range of 200MeV. With laser

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Cold fusion is a piss poor cousin in the enrichment game with fissionable species to paths with abundant neutrons. From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:55 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen The real problem

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The real problem with LENR is the LENR reaction's preference for the even isotopes U238, U232 of the odd isotopes. That make LENR a transuranic element enrichment risk. >From my reference: " It was found that the activity of both U isotopes decreased with respect to that of Cs. However, the

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Whoa indeed, nanoseconds are way to slow for fission! From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen Whoa - an observer must possess a great deal of blind hope to imagine

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Whoa - an observer must possess a great deal of blind hope to imagine that weaponization of LENR is impossible simply because neutrons are lacking. In fact, dense hydrogen is physically similar to the neutron. Most importantly, the number of documented runaway LENR reactions makes the

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:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen I brought up the issue of weaponization of LENR in the panel session at ILENR-12.  The general consensus was, "the cat is out of the bag"; I.E. too late for that concern. I think the real concern for wea

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Russ George wrote: Conflating nuclear chain reaction energy release with cold fusion > mechanisms is what leads to silly speculation, aka trolling, over > weaponization of cold fusion. It is the far reaching neutron chain reaction > process that is common to fission/fusion

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the P description of the reaction as cold fusion was accurate. Bob Cook from: Russ George Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen Conflating nuclear chain reaction energy release with cold fusion mechanisms is what

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.@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:44 AM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen > > > > The explosive potential of the cold fusion reaction is centered on the > percentage of energy that is produce by the LENR reaction in

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to manage it. That there is a perfect linkage/control in effect due to the commonly known chemical/thermal properties of matter is very well established. From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side

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The explosive potential of the cold fusion reaction is centered on the percentage of energy that is produce by the LENR reaction in the various energy releases format. By energy formats I mean the place where the output energy goes such as sub atomic particle production, heat, light, and/or RF.

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ubject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen Edward Teller! For goodness sake. - Jed

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Edward Teller! For goodness sake. - Jed

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Jones Beene wrote: > In the past, observers of the LENR scene - who delve into almost every > remote possibility for anomalous energy - have not wanted to talk about the > possibility of a cold-fusion bomb. People have talked about this from time to time, albeit

[Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen

This is not a repeat of the suggestion that dense hydrogen is the same species as "dark matter" ... but there is a good case for that proposition. It is about "dark" as in evil. If there is a foreseeable downside to LENR, it is the possibility of weaponization. Not just that - it is the easy