Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Jed you are a good historian too...in which extent was the airplane patented? It was patented in 1906. The legal battles over the patent exhausted Wilbur Wright and contributed to his death in 1912 at age 45. See:

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-08 Thread Peter Gluck
Thank you, complex issue! Difficult to find valid analogies with the present case- that is developing step by step. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Jed you are a good historian too...in which extent was the

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: If conducting paths start to open up within the cell from the heater electric power input, they will evolved and expand complexly. The H2 that Rossi thinks is being absorbed into the Ni nanopowder may in part be leaking into the coolant water output . .

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Rich Murray
Rich Murray to little, vortex-l, michael, Rich, Sterling 8:12 AM (1 hour ago) Well, Horace, there were a series of spikes on the input electric power record in Test 1 on Dec. 16. And in Test 2 on Jan. 14, a catastrophic welding failure on a heating resister... In science, experimenters largely

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:00 AM 2/7/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rich Murray mailto:rmfor...@gmail.comrmfor...@gmail.com wrote: If conducting paths start to open up within the cell from the heater electric power input, they will evolved and expand complexly. The H2 that Rossi thinks is being absorbed into the Ni

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Rich Murray
Rossi has posted that the secret is protected against loss or suppression... I haven't been focused only on large amounts of H2 being leaked, as a tiny leak could still wreck havok at 80 bar and 100s of degrees C, for hours, days, weeks, months... On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Abd ul-Rahman

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:09 PM 2/7/2011, Rich Murray wrote: I want to be wrong, but all doubts have to be candidly explored in this very important scientific debate, in which Rossi at least could share critical details with some independent scientists of repute who can be trusted with secrets. There is no

RE: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Abd... I think you haven't been following this as closely as the active contributors... Perhaps your time is limited and you have not been able to read all the postings... What did Rossi hope to accomplish by the demonstration? My suspicion is, he got exactly what he wanted. Lots of publicity,

RE: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Abd: You really need to be more careful with your choice of words... There is a staged demonstration, under the control of Rossi, with experimental details concealed... No, there were at least two tests done with the same seasoned university scientists present. No, it was not a 'staged'

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I'd allow Rossi to make all kinds of suggestions, but not to touch the device, nor would I allow anyone affiliated with Rossi to get anywhere near it. Such tests have been done, and they are underway now. Rossi is another city. Rossi claims,

RE: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:34 PM 2/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Abd... I think you haven't been following this as closely as the active contributors... Perhaps your time is limited and you have not been able to read all the postings... What did Rossi hope to accomplish by the demonstration? My suspicion is, he

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/07/2011 10:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I think of Steorn, which is still operating, apparently. One might ask why and how, and I don't think it's rocket science. Steorn has products -- I mean, /real/ products, that you can buy, and which actually do something useful -- which they

RE: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:52 PM 2/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Abd: You really need to be more careful with your choice of words... There is a staged demonstration, under the control of Rossi, with experimental details concealed... No, there were at least two tests done with the same seasoned university

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Peter Gluck
Jed you are a good historian too...in which extent was the airplane patented? The aspects that had been not patented belong to KNOW what, HOW, why. The same situation can be apllied to this new energy source. Interesting developments. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant to say that Rossi is now in a different city. Not that he is a city. Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Rossi has stated that he did NOT want to do the demo; that was Focardi's idea. Given one of the two major operating hypotheses, I don't accept any statements about

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-06 Thread Rich Murray
Reasonable doubts must be addressed, yes, especially if they are original, specific, and suggest possible hazards to people, as is the case with my vision that there may be electrolysis of cooling water via leaks in the cooling tube next to the Ni reactor tube and its heating resistors, if there

Re: [Vo]:A few comments by Celani about the demonstration

2011-02-06 Thread Rich Murray
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