Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread frobertcook
I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneKevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he needs to show zero nuclear effects. He KNOWS it is nucular, but to the

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread frobertcook
Jones I think Celani had a coincidence counter setup to look for e-p annihaltion. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneKevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he needs to show zero nuclear effects. He

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: By the time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no capability to reign him in. What would stop them? Even if he sold 10 million units, the government can start regulating them anytime it wants. The government did not begin

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread frobertcook
Robin It may be possible to measure differential voltages vs time at different places on the SC, if it is not instantaneous. I would expect to see no differential voltages. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphonemix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to frobertcook's message of

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread Bob Higgins
I think putative DDL state hydrogen (Df/H) and probably hydrinos would be more stable that you give them credit. At our environmental temperatures, the average kinetic energy is 1.5 kT which is about .04 eV at room temperature. Hydrinos would probably need 50eV in an inelastic collision to

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:16 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet. It extends to anything producing ionizing radiation.

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread frobertcook
Terry It is my understanding that NRC authority only applies to radioactive materials made in fission reactors using fissile materials. Thus, for example, accelerator activated materials are not controled by NRC. However the Energy Reorganization Act which created the NRC spells out the

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-10-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Hydrinos would probably need 50eV in an inelastic collision to re-inflate, and Df/H would need something like 500keV. Yes, this occurred to me, too. It will no doubt depend upon the population of hydrinos and how far

RE: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Bob Higgins's message: Isn't the problem with this scenario that the ground state H/D atom must GIVE UP energy to enter the DDL state. RvS: Actually this may not be so far from the truth. Consider a situation where lots of

RE: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Jones Beene
The following message did not appear, presumably because it contained a table, which has been dropped. From: Axil Axil * Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors. No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation. He says Focardi’s

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ø Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors. No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation. He says Focardi’s theory had predicted gamma, but none was ever observed. On the other hand, Celani said he did

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Axil Axil
Why would Rossi enclose his reactor in LEAD if no gamma's were ever seen? Is it in his interest to mislead the world in believing that no gammas were seen, I think it would be. It would keep the NRC out of his business. Is Rossi totally honest in everything he says, I think he is not. Are you

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
question is the dose... Rossi mostly said that ther was no dangerous radiation, not much above baclground. a peak, eg at 511kev is not necessarily a danger yet can be detected. from ed Storms books and papers it is clear there are x-rays, but not much and there is a cutoff energy... section 4.6

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Axil Axil
The point about gamma radiation is a theoretical one. In order to claim that a polariton condensate can fractionalize gamma frequencies, there must be gamma radiation produces by LENR in some circumstances at the least. Jones primary position states that LENR does not produce gamma radiation

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread mixent
In reply to frobertcook's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:32:26 +0200: Hi, [snip] Bob In semi conductors electrons r enter and seem to change the energy states of all the electrons in the semi conductor over a considerable distance associated with QM system of the SC. TMK it's instantaneous.

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:12:23 -0700: Hi, [snip] You seem to favoring the terminology of IRH over DDL and that is fine with me, however, DDL invokes Dirac, which is wise - and also it is not necessarily limited to two dimensions as is IRH which means the reaction

RE: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil Jones primary position states that LENR does not produce gamma radiation because LENR is not a nuclear process. Therefore, gamma level radiation cannot be produced in any conceivable event. This is the same position that Mills takes. Axil - this is incorrect, except

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he needs to show zero nuclear effects. He KNOWS it is nucular, but to the authorities he will be saying showing NO nucular effects. none. By the time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no capability

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I have previously suggested that a dense cluster might also absorb the energy in the form of kinetic energy distributed among thousands of densely clustered atoms. I see that Robin and Jones were talking about hydrino reinflation

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Why would Rossi enclose his reactor in LEAD if no gamma's were ever seen? In Rossi's own 2010 patent, he states that the lead (and boron) shield is there to protect from harmful radiation: In particular, the inventive

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: In Rossi's own 2010 patent, he states that the lead (and boron) shield is there to protect from harmful radiation: In particular, the inventive apparatus is coated by boron layers and lead plates both for restraining noxious radiations and transforming them into energy, without

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, Isn't the problem with this scenario that the ground state H/D atom must GIVE UP energy to enter the DDL state. What you propose is that the H/D atoms could absorb the gamma emission from the transmutation and fractionate the photons to DDL energy chunks. For this to occur, the coupled

RE: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Isn't the problem with this scenario that the ground state H/D atom must GIVE UP energy to enter the DDL state. That would be true under Mills theory, but one big objection to Mills concept is that if it were true - as a logical matter, there would be nothing

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread Axil Axil
*Dear Jones,* *I have been trying to move you to the “Superabsorption” concept for the last year or two. I am pleased that you are getting nearer to appreciate Superabsorption of gamma radiation.* *Superabsorption is the reciprocal concept to Superradiance. * *You were kind enough to clue

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread Axil Axil
The reason why a quantum dot idea won't work is the fact that electrons conform to the Pauli exclusion principle. The quantum dot can be thought of as a single atom with thousands of ascending electron orbital energy levels. As these levels absorb gamma radiation, it get increasingly harder for

RE: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread Jones Beene
Axil, Of all the wild possibilities that we consider on vortex – most of which are eventually rejected as impossible, gamma fractionalization still appears to me to be the least likely major holdover theory (from the cold fusion era) to be a physical reality in the NiH era. This is despite

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors. He put this fact into his 2010 patent in reference to nickel to copper transmutation. On January the 14th 2011, Rossi and Focardi gave the first public demonstration of the low temperature E-Cat to a personally invited group. A short

Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots

2014-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:42:39 -0600: Hi, [snip] Jones, Isn't the problem with this scenario that the ground state H/D atom must GIVE UP energy to enter the DDL state. What you propose is that the H/D atoms could absorb the gamma emission from the transmutation