Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:22 PM 12/3/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: 2. In theory papers I do not recall seeing a section titled predictions or something like that. To be fair, in LENR, so little is known with solidity about what's going on that even if a theory is correct in general outlines, it could be difficult

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:45 PM 12/2/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Simon is interested in the process of closure. And what he comes to with Undead Science is that there can be an apparent closure where an apparent scientific consensus arises, but there is life after death, hence, undead

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: There *was* an apparent scientific consensus. That isn't to be denied. But was there a *real* scientific consensus. It's obvious that there was not. That would be a consensus rigorously based on scientific principles, and such a consensus would be far more widely

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/03/2009 04:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Theories are a dime a dozen in this business. As far as I know none of them makes useful predictions -- or even testable predictions! So they are useless. Heck, they aren't even theories, just speculation. A theory is not viable unless it can be

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Theories are a dime a dozen in this business. As far as I know none of them makes useful predictions -- or even testable predictions! . . . If I recall correctly, Hagelstein's theory based on phonon coupling to the lattice made testable predictions. However, that

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:42 PM 12/2/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: I meant to say: Simon is interested in the process of closure. And what he comes to with Undead Science is that there can be an apparent closure where an apparent scientific consensus arises, but there is life after death, hence, undead science.

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Simon is interested in the process of closure. And what he comes to with Undead Science is that there can be an apparent closure where an apparent scientific consensus arises, but there is life after death, hence, undead science. This is like saying there is no

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant to say: Simon is interested in the process of closure. And what he comes to with Undead Science is that there can be an apparent closure where an apparent scientific consensus arises, but there is life after death, hence, undead science. This is like saying there is no apparent

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:01 PM 11/30/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Simon is a *sociologist,* Jed, not a chemist or physicist. Opinions (especially collective opinions) and process are what the book is about, not cold fusion. Or calorimetry. If it is about opinions then we can conclude

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:09 PM 11/30/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: If it is about opinions then we can conclude that opinions have no bearing on cold fusion. Plus we can conclude that sociologists are unqualified to write about calorimetry, and they make fools of themselves when they try. To put it more

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Simon is a *sociologist,* Jed, not a chemist or physicist. Opinions (especially collective opinions) and process are what the book is about, not cold fusion. Or calorimetry. If it is about opinions then we can conclude that opinions have no bearing on cold fusion.

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If it is about opinions then we can conclude that opinions have no bearing on cold fusion. Plus we can conclude that sociologists are unqualified to write about calorimetry, and they make fools of themselves when they try. To put it more charitably, I guess what I am saying is that

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-11-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
History of Science Controversy in Chemistry: How Do You Prove a Negative?—The Cases of Phlogiston and Cold Fusion** Jay A. Labinger* and Stephen J. Weininger* http://www.uaf.edu/chem/481-482-692-Sp06/pdf/labinger-1.pdf I think this article deserves a closer look. It relies heavily on

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I think this article deserves a closer look. It relies heavily on Simon, a very good source. I *loath* Simon's book. Hate it, hate it, hate it! He looks at people's opinions and counts papers instead of evaluating calorimetry. Meta-analyses are mostly bunk, and they