Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented in Cook's !CCF-18 presentation I interpret the depletion analysis differently than presented in Cook's presentation (e.g., slide 52 [1]). If 61Ni

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-19 Thread Bob Cook
recent wishful thinking kicked in. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-19 Thread Bob Cook
:59 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented in Cook's !CCF-18 presentation I interpret the depletion analysis differently

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
energy states to occur with mass energy being changed to angular momentum energy. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation On Fri, Oct 17, 2014

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
. It is with electrons as Pauli pointed out. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Bob Cook frobertc

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, I have cherry-picked three major “spin facts” from this compendium which indicate that if one wants to apply a nano-magnetism or spin-coupling modality to LENR, it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. That may be why Mizuno chose the deuterium-nickel combination. All

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
would be key to controlling the rate of the process. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:34 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation Bob, I have cherry-picked three major “spin

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Was there any indication that the Mizuno experiments used quadrupole electric or magnetic inputs? I was not aware of this, if it happened. This is an interesting point, and the Mizuno experiment may not have been optimized. Hopefully the next

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Unfortunately I don't have any other details and don't know of a particular experiment to refer to. Here is the quote from a textbook I recently finished reading: ... It was late last night, and the paragraph I found and quoted pertained to deuterium, not 4He, which you were asking

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
The latter link suggested the BEC that I have talked about at above cryogenic temperatures. Bob Cook Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook I do not know of data on high temperature BEC's of particles of high mass. Y. Kims theory for the reaction of Bose particles, including duplex compinations of different Bose particles, may be of some importance. I have not studied his theory in

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has a non zero spin whereas hydrogen has a zero spin which is required in low powered LENR reactions. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Bob, I have cherry-picked

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has a non zero spin whereas hydrogen has a zero spin which is required in low powered LENR reactions. Says who? What is your evidence?

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented in Cook's !CCF-18 presentation On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Axil it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
See https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36817/SimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation.pdf?sequence=2 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented in Cook's !CCF-18

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
So what, that’s not general evidence? Even if true, it relates to nickel, and not to hydrogen/deuterium. Everything since 1989 in LENR points to deuterium being as active if not more than hydrogen. From: Axil Axil * Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:17 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation From: Axil it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has a non zero spin whereas

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
a +1/2 spin. The proton and neutron spins seem to add to make up the +1 spin of the D. Bob - Original Message - *From:* Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:17 PM *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
-61 (ODD NUMBER OF NUCLEONS) DOES NOT SEEM TO REACT MUCH. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation There is good reason to believe that magnetism is the prime

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
- Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation *There is good reason to believe that magnetism is the prime mover in LENR. Under this speculative

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: A quadruple oscillating electric field may also help to excite the D's to shed their excess mass relative to the developing 4He particle. This sounds a little bit wishful to me. :) Eric

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-17 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- You wrote the following some time ago: - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:17 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-17 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Do you know if the experiments looked at excited spin energy states that may be possible at higher spin quanta? Unfortunately I don't have any other details and don't know of a particular experiment to refer to. Here

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-02 Thread frobertcook
Harry I like the idea of excited He as an intermediate. However, I would indicate low energy radiation associted will He* spin energy deflation with angular momentum an the spin energy distributed throughout the quantum dot mattrix and its electrons. The He* may occur in pairs aligned

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:17 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I like the idea of excited He as an intermediate. I recall reading that 4He does not have a bound excited nuclear state, although it may have a resonance for a very brief period of time. Eric

Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-01 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:25:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the hydrogen nucleus on the right is approaches. Timing problem

Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-01 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:52 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:25:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-30 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If it happened nobody would notice. Yes. I think it would be indistinguishable from an elastic collision (if the two situations are different). Eric

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-30 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:39:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If it happened nobody would notice. Yes. I think it would be indistinguishable

Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-30 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:39:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If it

Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: When the deuterium nucleus gets close enough to connect with the second Nickel nucleus it gives up its neutron to that nickel nucleus. I think you're going to need a powerful force to make this part happen. Think of the

Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Think of the proton that is part of the deuteron and the nickel nucleus as extremely powerful, oppositely magnetized metal spheres. I didn't say that very well. They're like two magnets with the same poles facing each other (these magnets are monopoles, so there's no other pole to

Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-30 Thread H Veeder
Now I'll give *you* something to believe. I'm just one hundred and one, five months and a day.' 'I can't believe *that!*' said Alice. 'Can't you?' the Queen said in a pitying tone. 'Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.' Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said 'one *can't*

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-29 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:18:08 -0400: Hi Harry, The link has two drawings on the same page. The top drawing, which is the one I found, doesn't challenge FP research. The bottom drawing is my modified version and it is intended to show that the fusion process can be

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-29 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If it happened nobody would notice. Yes. I think it would be indistinguishable from an elastic collision (if the two situations are different). Eric

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-28 Thread Alain Sepeda
I don't see how it challenge FP, it is theory? 2014-09-28 2:34 GMT+02:00 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:04:12 -0400: Hi Harry, [snip] Since we are dealing in impossibilities

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-28 Thread H Veeder
The link has two drawings on the same page. The top drawing, which is the one I found, doesn't challenge FP research. The bottom drawing is my modified version and it is intended to show that the fusion process can be considered reversible as long as it does not reach the final stage. Are you

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-27 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:04:12 -0400: Hi Harry, [snip] Since we are dealing in impossibilities from the outset, it seems like false logic to argue that the probability of endothermic reactions is

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-27 Thread Axil Axil
I suggest that a very fast monolithic reaction process will allow Helium-2 (diproton) to form. Then immediately, before the positrons decay can take place producing neutrons, two diproton atoms will fuse to the latent helium 4 intermediate product will take place comprised of 4 protons. After

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-27 Thread Axil Axil
Upon the annihilation of both particles, two gamma, should read Upon the annihilation of both particles, two 512 KeV gamma are produced that travel in an antiparallel direction away from the point of annihilation . On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-25 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:04:12 -0400: Hi Harry, [snip] Since we are dealing in impossibilities from the outset, it seems like false logic to argue that the probability of endothermic reactions is improbable. [snip] I have told you what I think and why. Whether or not

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-24 Thread H Veeder
I suspect both endothermic and exothermic reactions occur even inside the tokamak, but on balance more exothermic reactions occur. Harry On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 6:30 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:35:34 -0400: Hi, Nuclear energies are 6

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-24 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:46:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] I suspect both endothermic and exothermic reactions occur even inside the tokamak, but on balance more exothermic reactions occur. Harry Endothermic reactions only happen when ingoing particles have enough kinetic

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-24 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:13 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:46:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] I suspect both endothermic and exothermic reactions occur even inside the tokamak, but on balance more exothermic reactions occur. Harry Endothermic

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-24 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:59 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:13 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:46:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] I suspect both endothermic and exothermic reactions occur even inside the

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-23 Thread Axil Axil
I found it. https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36817/SimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation.pdf?sequence=2 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If you look

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:32:02 -0700: [snip] The usual lame rationalizations we have used is that the energy was borrowed in advance to overcome the Coulomb barrier or shed in advance to achieve the redundancy ...[/snip] IMHO the lock step motion of gas atoms

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-23 Thread Axil Axil
Fran: As is have posted many times, it is hard to tell what emerges from what. What comes first the chicken of the egg. Did you know that the Casmir force and zero point energy can be completely controlled by polariton condensation. *New regime in the Casimir force observed*

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
because they perceive a spatial separation due to dilation/contraction [ the fractional hydrogen is temporally displaced without the need for near C velocity] Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:59 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mizuno

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:42:04 -0700: Hi Eric, On the face of it this sounds reasonable, but real life is seldom so simple. Some deuterons will bounce off lattice nuclei in elastic collisions and head off in completely different directions, so I would expect at

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
I've looked through the isotope charts again - searching for reactions that rapidly decay back to the starting element or to any stable isotope which has already been reported to be there, and have not found any other possibility... ...other than Ni58 (d,Cu59) - Ni60 which happens by EC or

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation Typo- the suggested reaction is Ni58 + D - Cu60 - Ni60 _ I've looked through the isotope charts again - searching for reactions

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Axil Axil
22 septembre 2014 17:34 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation Typo- the suggested reaction is Ni58 + D - Cu60 - Ni60 _ I've looked

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
From: Arnaud Kodeck Jones, Why not consider also the Ni58 + 2p - Zn60 - Cu60 - Ni60? Zn60 has a spin 0. _ the suggested reaction is Ni58 + D - Cu60 - Ni60

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
. _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: lundi 22 septembre 2014 18:28 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation From: Arnaud Kodeck

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
_ From: Arnaud Kodeck Yes, in my view, the DDL state diatomic hydrogen (shrunken hydrogen) reacts with Ni58. Should both atoms be in shrunken state? Yes, that would seem to be highly beneficial. The reaction looks less

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:33:43 -0700: Hi, Typo- the suggested reaction is - Ni60 [snip] Ni58 + D - Cu60 + 11.252 MeV Normally one would expect prompt gammas from this reaction totaling 11.25 MeV. If no gammas are detected, what do you propose happens to the

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
The usual lame rationalizations we have used is that the energy was borrowed in advance to overcome the Coulomb barrier or shed in advance to achieve the redundancy ... But you're right - fusion numbers simply don't work well for the reality of a Rossi type reaction, as there is too much excess

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:32:02 -0700: Hi, [snip] The usual lame rationalizations we have used is that the energy was borrowed in advance to overcome the Coulomb barrier or shed in advance to achieve the redundancy ... But you're right - fusion numbers simply don't

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If you look at the ICCF-18 transmutation study of nickel and palladium study by Cook, you will see that Mizuno shows the same isotopic shifts in nickel that DGT shows. Ni61 does not participate in the reaction but all other

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I would still be inclined to consider reactions that produce heavy charged particles. The heavier and slower, the better. E.g. fusion/fission reactions. The reactions I've been looking at recently have charged particles as daughters

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:08:59 -0700: Hi Eric, [snip] On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I would still be inclined to consider reactions that produce heavy charged particles. The heavier and slower, the better. E.g. fusion/fission

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:33 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...but wouldn't you expect 1/2 to fly away from the surface, and half to fly into it? I would expect there to be an anisotropy. As I envision it, there's an electric arc pulling a mass of protons into a recess. For a fraction of a

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Secondly, and most importantly - the neutron of the deuteron offers Coulomb shielding. Can you elaborate on this? I would have expected the neutron to be more or less invisible, as far as the Coulomb field is concerned.

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Secondly, and most importantly - the neutron of the deuteron offers Coulomb shielding. Can you elaborate on this? I would have expected the neutron to be more or less invisible, as far as the Coulomb field is concerned. Eric Of course, the neutron looks to be

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The strong force is so much stronger than electrical repulsion, that any small effect can make a difference at close range. If the possible Coulomb shielding effect from the neutron works at the same range as the strong

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
Eric, It really gets down to whether the gainful reaction is thermonuclear or quantum mechanical. If you look in the archives, “stripping” was favored by me for many years, and I first introduced it here - but opinions change. Your opinion may not change, but here is what convinced me

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If you look in the archives, “stripping” was favored by me for many years, and I first introduced it here - but opinions change. The first reference I saw to the OP process was from a thread between you and Abd Lomax, in

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread Jones Beene
Eric - In the end, there’s nothing new under the sun and the best we can do is try to get it right at least once along the pathway. One good thing about a long-running forum, with a heated give-and-take of ideas - is that if you can grasp everyone’s position, even for a few hours, and evolve

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:53:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] If hydrinos and deuterinos are both present, perhaps it is possible for the neutron stripping to work in two directions such that a deuterino can give

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:35:34 -0400: Hi, Nuclear energies are 6 orders of magnitude larger than chemical energies, which I would expect to reduce the chances to the point where it's not even worth considering. However, that said, it should be noted that the same is

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-21 Thread mixent
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:30:04 +1000: Hi, [snip] 9Be+2H = 4He + 4He + 3H + 4.684 MeV BTW, this reaction also works for H (but only just). 1H+9Be = 4He + 4He + 2H + 0.651 MeV ..and I suspect that 9Be is the only naturally occurring isotope for which it

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Jones Beene
One more thing to add ... wrt the overdue suggestion (Doh, slaps forehead) that Rossi's secret sauce is looking like it is deuterium. Thank you, Clean Planet. The reaction would probably work best if it is started with regular hydrogen, and then deuterium is added later. This is because the

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: However, all reactions of nickel with a proton result in a radioactive isotope with a half-life which is long enough for it to have been seen. This kind of hot isotope is not reported in any study of the Rossi reactor -

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which stable nickel converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my prediction for the Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they will see a relative

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker * This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which stable nickel converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my prediction for the Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they will see a relative decrease in Ni58 and a relative increase in

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Terry Blanton
You've certainly been consistent Jones. Quoting you from 2011: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction? Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net via eskimo.com 1/19/11 to vortex-l One detail worth exploring further was the statement from Rossi that only hydrogen works, and that deuterium kills the reaction

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Terry will remember that in the very first image to come from Rossi, there was a color-coded tank of deuterium in the Lab. It might be in this vid: http://www.rainews.it/it/video.php?id=23074 The D2 gas might have been

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Terry Blanton
strips = stripes On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Terry will remember that in the very first image to come from Rossi, there was a color-coded tank of deuterium in the Lab. It

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
Single proton capture will not work because the spin of a single proton is non zero. Double proton capture will work because the spin of 2He is zero. Piantelli shows a 6 MeV proton coming out of a nickel bar. This implies that a proton pair entered the nickel nucleus: one to produce the 6 MeV via

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
Deuterium kills the reaction because its spin is non zero. On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You've certainly been consistent Jones. Quoting you from 2011: [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction? Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net via eskimo.com 1/19/11 to

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
This spin alignment of deuterium is why a plasma of hydrogen must be formed to produce hydrogen crystals where deuterium must be reconfigured to a zero spin alignment as the plasma cools. Adding deuterium gas from a tank as Rossi has done will provide non zero spin deuterium. It order for the

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
One reason the Rossi requires high heat from external electric power input is to produce molecules with zero spin. He now uses the Mouse to make these special molecules. The down side of high heat that can form a plasma is that such application of heat can cause reactor-away. The Mouse was

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:18:40 -0700: Hi, [snip] The nickel to nickel idea seems very promising. I doubt there is deuteron capture, because if there is deuteron capture, there is probably proton capture as well, along with all of the nasty gammas. This is what is

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
This hang-up on neutrons and 4He is due to this irresistible indoctrination from old time nuclear physics. Rossi states that he has never seen a neutron. 4He is just as likely to transmute as any other element. 4He has no special status in LENR, IMHO. On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:47 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This hang-up on neutrons and 4He is due to this irresistible indoctrination from old time nuclear physics. Rossi states that he has never seen a neutron. 4He is just as likely to transmute as any other element. 4He has no

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread H Veeder
If hydrinos and deuterinos are both present, perhaps it is possible for the neutron stripping to work in two directions such that a deuterino can give up a neutron to a heavy nucleus and a heavy nucleus can give up a neutron to hydrino. ( I am thinking of a nuclear version of epicatalysis.) Harry

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:53:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] If hydrinos and deuterinos are both present, perhaps it is possible for the neutron stripping to work in two directions such that a deuterino can give up a neutron to a heavy nucleus and a heavy nucleus can give up a