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NanoSpire, Inc. on Harnessing Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Fusion and Transmutation in Water http://pesn.com/2012/04/28/9602083_NanoSpire_Inc_on_Harnessing_Cavitation_Zero_Point_Energy_to_Produce_Fusion_and_Transmutation_in_Water/ by Sterling D. Allan April 28, 2012 ... On April 25, I interviewed inventor, Mark LeClair, along with two of his associates at Nanospire, Inc. to talk about Advanced Cavitation Reentrant Jet Technology for Alternative Energy Nanotechnology. Also on the call were Serge Lebid, a co-discoverer of the phenomena and company co-founder; along with Mr. Edmond Pope, an advisor. http://www.mevio.com/episode/314012/fen.120425 ...
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In fusion both hot and cold, I have come to believe that neutrons are at the root of all evil. LeClair needs to remove neutron production from his process. This is done by eliminating the collision of the cavitation micro-jet against the sacrificial surface. LeClair provides a sacrificial aluminum sheet to electrostatically attract the micro-jet which includes the water clusters. I believe that the micro-jet is hitting the surface to fast and to hard. I also believe that that speed can be reduced by lowering the induced negative charge on the sacrificial surface. On metal, charge can easily move. This maximized induced charge maximizes crystal speed. Using aluminum makes the LeClair reaction too intense. By providing a less electrostatically reactive surface where electrons are less mobile; say a plastic, carbon-fiber or a hard rubber, the speed of the micro-jet can be slowed or reduced the collisional force responsible for the neutron producing collusions and the associated endothermically transmuted elements over the atomic weight of iron. LeClair states that 80% of the reaction comes from water/crystal collisions and 20% form crystal/surface collisions. Through the selection of the proper sacrificial material, the micro-jet speed can be adjusted lower. As in the Rossi type reactor where there is no high speed crystal collisions involved, if the transmutation of water can be restricted to carbon, the neutrons would go away, transuranic element production would stop, and the LeClair reactor would be made commercially acceptable. Cheers: Axil On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. on Harnessing Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Fusion and Transmutation in Water http://pesn.com/2012/04/28/9602083_NanoSpire_Inc_on_Harnessing_Cavitation_Zero_Point_Energy_to_Produce_Fusion_and_Transmutation_in_Water/ by Sterling D. Allanhttp://pureenergysystems.com/about/personnel/SterlingDAllan/index.htmlApril 28, 2012 ... On April 25, I interviewedhttp://www.mevio.com/episode/314012/fen.120425inventor, Mark LeClair, along with two of his associates at Nanospire, Inc. to talk about Advanced Cavitation Reentrant Jet Technology for Alternative Energy Nanotechnology. Also on the call were Serge Lebid, a co-discoverer of the phenomena and company co-founder; along with Mr. Edmond Pope, an advisor. http://www.mevio.com/episode/314012/fen.120425 ...
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Bastiaan, you missed this: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html* * Andre * *On 02/23/2012 12:45 AM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: What experiment? Am I missing something? On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:08 AM, francis froarty...@comcast.net mailto:froarty...@comcast.net wrote: If this experiment occurred in 2009 and resulted in radiation sickness and transmuted elements at only 840 watts in I have to ask why it is only becoming news now and why the news isn’t all over the front page.. what I am missing that makes this less than earth shattering news?
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What experiment? Am I missing something? On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:08 AM, francis froarty...@comcast.net wrote: If this experiment occurred in 2009 and resulted in radiation sickness and transmuted elements at only 840 watts in I have to ask why it is only becoming news now and why the news isn’t all over the front page.. what I am missing that makes this less than earth shattering news?
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ From the link; The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the hole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated high neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in the chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the reactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also accidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day after the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark LeClair and Sergio Lebid and lasted for more than a year. At least that's a good sign that it works, maybe ;) Rob
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Maybe that is the reason Rossi acts the way he does... On Tuesday, February 21, 2012, Robert McKay wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ From the link; The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the hole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated high neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in the chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the reactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also accidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day after the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark LeClair and Sergio Lebid and lasted for more than a year. At least that's a good sign that it works, maybe ;) Rob
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Axil, I am glad you phrased this as APPEARS to be relativistic speeds - exactly the point I have been trying to make regarding Casimir effect and catalytic action! It is not spatial acceleration but rather periodic displacement of the lattice along the time axis that can accumulate into quantum effects with the appropriate geometry. [snip] The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in very short distances. This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed bull-dozed in front of the bow shock, the only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions,[/snip] The point is that there is no spatial velocity or equivalent [positive] gravitational Well which equates to high inertial frame or, using the Haisch and Rhuda analogue, the car interacts with more raindrops speeding forward through the rain then it would sitting still. To use their analogue the car is sitting under a Casimir umbrella which suppresses the very baseline amount of rain the car comes in contact with, IOW suppression of virtual particles instead of the compression we normally associate with relativistic effects [a gravity warp instead of a well] see Cavity QED http://th-www.if.uj.edu.pl/acta/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula which proposes that Casimir cavities break abruptly gravitational isotropy. I am not certain if I am simply being a student of the obvious but I am convinced the metric we refer to as vacuum energy density is actually a relativistic term that only varies from a relative perspective and the APPARENT suppression of this value in a lattice or cavity has a mirror effect of compression value from our perspective at the opposite end of the spectrum when an object approaches luminal velocity or sits at the bottom of a powerful gravity well. The big difference is that the change in compression value has a smooth gravitational gradient while these breaches [suppression] in isotropy are sudden whether from a random tapestry or programmed nano geometry. It is these abrupt changes in energy density that equate to changes in negative acceleration with very little spatial displacement [a sudden step instead of a slow gradient]. My posit for asymmetry is that these sudden steps represent far more opposition to molecules than atoms and therefore present an opportunity to build a Maxwellian demon like device without any directional bias that would be negated by chaotic motion but rather based on the bond state of the gas. [something that might be operated from a macro scale using a combination of temperature and pressure manipulation to organize the chaotic motion into a disassociation discount. Fran Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire Inc. Axil Axil Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:25:34 -0800 In February, 2004 Mark L. LeClair, CEO Founder of NanoSpire, Inc., discovered a crystalline form of water. Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, *many of the jets were seen to have facets* *and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.* The crystal has an equilateral triangular cylinder subunit that most commonly forms jet hexagon cross-sections. The crystal is a series of repeating O-H bonds along its axis and is bound by hydrogen bonds in the cross-sectional plane, a type of hybrid bonded crystal known as a van der Waals crystal. The flexibility of the hydrogen bonds allowed the crystal to assume a rich variety of shapes, most commonly resembling a bacteriophage, with a large hexagonal faceted head and narrow whip tail. The crystal tail can split into a fractal fan on impact. The leading face closest to the bow shock and the sides of the crystal are positively charged and the tail is negative, allowing the crystal to form observed closed loops. The positive charge of the leading face and sides was revealed by impacting the crystal into litmus paper. This created bright red hexagonal impacts in green litmus paper, and purple hexagons in orange litmus paper, both indicators of zero pH and large positive charge concentration on the crystal. The MTI grant research showed that the crystallized jets would often carve long trenches in materials guided by their electrostatic charge and removed far more material than could be accounted. The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a bow shock like a fighter plane. The positively charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the Casmir Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a large scale. The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in very short distances. This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed bull-dozed in front of the bow shock, the only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions, both occurring at relativistic speeds
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It sounds like it works in a manner that I would prefer to avoid. Fission of U235 also works like this producing dangerous side effects and waste that we will have to deal with for many years. The beauty of LENR is that it works in a manner that does not have these problems. Research into this phenomenon is certainly warranted as the scientists are uncovering new natural rules that might impact in other important ways. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 7:41 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire Inc. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ From the link; The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the ole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated igh neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in he chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the eactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also ccidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day fter the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark eClair and Sergio Lebid and lasted for more than a year. At least that's a good sign that it works, maybe ;) Rob
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We can use the NanoSpire system as appoint of comparison to tease out what quantum mechanical mechanisms do what functions in the complicated NiH system. Unlike NiH, the NanoSpire system is flawed as a power production system because it does not contain the quantum mechanical tools necessary to thermalize the gamma radiation produced by the QM fusion mechanism. There is a high degree of fusion occurring but the energy output of the process remains as gamma radiation. The NanoSpire system can teach us what QM factors produce what QM cold fusion results. This system does not contain those micro cavities where proton pairs accumulate as in the Rossi system. Therefore there is little proton quantum condensation in the system to thermalize the gamma produced. Being water based, the NanoSpire system operates below the Curie point in temperature of the material it is transmuting with results in the exclusive production of gamma radiation in preference to heat. Proton superconductivity id not produced in the water and gamma radiation results. This leads me to the suspicion that when DGT uses a magnetic field to temporarily spoil their reaction, this superconductive breaking action will generate gamma radiation in preference to heat. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ From the link; The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the hole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated high neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in the chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the reactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also accidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day after the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark LeClair and Sergio Lebid and lasted for more than a year. At least that's a good sign that it works, maybe ;) Rob
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From Francis: If this experiment occurred in 2009 and resulted in radiation sickness and transmuted elements at only 840 watts in I have to ask why it is only becoming news now and why the news isn’t all over the front page.. what I am missing that makes this less than earth shattering news? Good heavens, yes! Good question Francis. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Krivit actually reported it a long time ago. Go into his archives. I have no idea what happened in the meantime or whether the report is credible. The main guy, LeClair was even ranting about Rossi possibly irradiating Miami unknowingly with his Ecat, that might have been in January or February of last year. Ransom - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire Inc. From Francis: If this experiment occurred in 2009 and resulted in radiation sickness and transmuted elements at only 840 watts in I have to ask why it is only becoming news now and why the news isn’t all over the front page.. what I am missing that makes this less than earth shattering news? Good heavens, yes! Good question Francis. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=395cpage=2#comment-1 Svein Utne February 3rd, 2011 at 5:53 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=395cpage=2#comment-1 Dear Rossi, I wonder if any of your 50 witnesses that attended your demo January 14. has reported any radiation sickness or any other sort of problems? The reason I ask is because Mark L. LeClair report of such problems, and he thinks your system might give of similar radiation and something he calls matter waves. http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/31/cold-fusion-versus-lenr-competing-ideologies/#comment-405 Mark L. LeClair says: “My reactor, which I estimate put out 4kW, caused both of us severe radiation sickness, that included all the classic symptoms, that has left us weak and sore for over a year and in and out of the hospital. Symptoms included diarrhea, vomiting, flu like symptoms, difficulty breathing, hair loss and severe weakness. We both had no control over our body temperature thermoregulation for nearly seven months, with our temperatures swinging back and forth from hypothermia to fever. The Maine Radiation Hazmat team was called in to our lab to be sure there was no residual radioactive contamination, which fortunately there wasn’t. Both of us were sickened again by the experiment in Washington, DC at NRL. We are only now starting to recover from the second exposure. Our radiation exposure was confirmed by blood tests using SKY radiation dosimetry done gratis by McMaster University, showing multiple chromosome breaks and translocations in both Serge and I. As I pointed out in the last post, the August 24-25, 2009 experiments also gave off powerful de Brolie matter waves that I didn’t notice until the experiment was over, but caused unbelievable havoc. I’m sure our sickness was due in part to the matter waves as well. No one could have foreseen either the crystal, it’s behavior our the emission of the powerful matter waves. Melich was present at our NRL experiment and I explained my theory on the underlying mechanism. Melich is now is heavily involved with Rossi. The low level of gamma emmision, 50% above background, is the same gamma emmision behavior we observed, 20-50%, both in August 24-25, 2009 and at NRL on April 12, 2010. Take heed, if the Rossi and Focardi reactor incorporates the same principals I used to trigger fusion and it is scaled to 1 MW, then I predict that everyone who lives nearby will be in grave danger.” If you have non of this problems, you are very lucky and your invention looks almost too good to be true. I look forward to hear more about this. Regards Svein Utne On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: We can use the NanoSpire system as appoint of comparison to tease out what quantum mechanical mechanisms do what functions in the complicated NiH system. Unlike NiH, the NanoSpire system is flawed as a power production system because it does not contain the quantum mechanical tools necessary to thermalize the gamma radiation produced by the QM fusion mechanism. There is a high degree of fusion occurring but the energy output of the process remains as gamma radiation. The NanoSpire system can teach us what QM factors produce what QM cold fusion results. This system does not contain those micro cavities where proton pairs accumulate as in the Rossi system. Therefore there is little proton quantum condensation in the system to thermalize the gamma produced. Being water based, the NanoSpire system operates below the Curie point in temperature of the material it is transmuting with results in the exclusive production of gamma radiation in preference to heat. Proton superconductivity id not produced in the water and gamma radiation results. This leads me to the suspicion that when DGT uses a magnetic field to temporarily spoil their reaction, this superconductive breaking action will generate gamma radiation in preference to heat. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ From the link; The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the hole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated high neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in the chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the reactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also accidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day after the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark LeClair and Sergio Lebid
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In February, 2004 Mark L. LeClair, CEO Founder of NanoSpire, Inc., discovered a crystalline form of water… Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, *many of the jets were seen to have facets* *and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.* The crystal has an equilateral triangular cylinder subunit that most commonly forms jet hexagon cross-sections. The crystal is a series of repeating O-H bonds along its axis and is bound by hydrogen bonds in the cross-sectional plane, a type of hybrid bonded crystal known as a van der Waals crystal. The flexibility of the hydrogen bonds allowed the crystal to assume a rich variety of shapes, most commonly resembling a bacteriophage, with a large hexagonal faceted head and narrow whip tail. The crystal tail can split into a fractal fan on impact. The leading face closest to the bow shock and the sides of the crystal are positively charged and the tail is negative, allowing the crystal to form observed closed loops. The positive charge of the leading face and sides was revealed by impacting the crystal into litmus paper. This created bright red hexagonal impacts in green litmus paper, and purple hexagons in orange litmus paper, both indicators of zero pH and large positive charge concentration on the crystal. The MTI grant research showed that the crystallized jets would often carve long trenches in materials guided by their electrostatic charge and removed far more material than could be accounted. The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a bow shock like a fighter plane. The positively charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the Casmir Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a large scale. The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in very short distances. This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed bull-dozed in front of the bow shock, the only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions, both occurring at relativistic speeds. The transmutation process observed in all the experiments closely matched the behaviour of stellar fusion nucleosynthesis and both type I II supernova shock nucleosynthesis. This discovery will have a major effect on stellar evolution astronomy, allowing stellar nucleosynthesis, stellar core collapse nucleosynthesis and supernova nucleosynthesis to all be studied on a desktop, with varying compositions. The phenomenon of the water crystal propelled by the attraction to its bow shock has been named the LeClair Effect. Based on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, the LeClair Effect theory and the profound discoveries based on it pose a serious quantum theory challenge to the classical understanding of Newton's Laws of Motion and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. So sorry please excuse me... I know I sound like a one trick pony, but these crystals sound like a variation of Rydberg matter formed in water to me. *“many of the jets were seen to have facets and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.” * This is the strong coherent dipole charge produced by coherent electron motion at high Rydberg orbital numbers. Transmutation is caused by coherent quantum mechanical fusion processes involving a condensate of coherent protons pairs produced by Rydberg matter and an associated Efimov Effect. *“large hexagonal faceted head and narrow whip tail.”* This sounds like two dimensional Rydberg crystals to me. The crystals seem to be long lived indicating a high excitation level of high hydrogen S band orbitals. Filter these crystals out of the water after they are created by cavitation and they will produce fusion in your Rossi reactor without the secret sauce. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ Harry
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One more point... Remember, in Single Bubble Sonoluminescence cavitation systems, I have asserted here on vortex that the deep ultraviolet EMF that is produced is caused by Rydberg atoms formed at or near the point of bubble collapse. NanoSpire, Inc. has taken Rydberg material generation one step further and has produced Rydberg matter. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In February, 2004 Mark L. LeClair, CEO Founder of NanoSpire, Inc., discovered a crystalline form of water… Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, *many of the jets were seen to have facets* *and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.* The crystal has an equilateral triangular cylinder subunit that most commonly forms jet hexagon cross-sections. The crystal is a series of repeating O-H bonds along its axis and is bound by hydrogen bonds in the cross-sectional plane, a type of hybrid bonded crystal known as a van der Waals crystal. The flexibility of the hydrogen bonds allowed the crystal to assume a rich variety of shapes, most commonly resembling a bacteriophage, with a large hexagonal faceted head and narrow whip tail. The crystal tail can split into a fractal fan on impact. The leading face closest to the bow shock and the sides of the crystal are positively charged and the tail is negative, allowing the crystal to form observed closed loops. The positive charge of the leading face and sides was revealed by impacting the crystal into litmus paper. This created bright red hexagonal impacts in green litmus paper, and purple hexagons in orange litmus paper, both indicators of zero pH and large positive charge concentration on the crystal. The MTI grant research showed that the crystallized jets would often carve long trenches in materials guided by their electrostatic charge and removed far more material than could be accounted. The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a bow shock like a fighter plane. The positively charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the Casmir Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a large scale. The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in very short distances. This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed bull-dozed in front of the bow shock, the only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions, both occurring at relativistic speeds. The transmutation process observed in all the experiments closely matched the behaviour of stellar fusion nucleosynthesis and both type I II supernova shock nucleosynthesis. This discovery will have a major effect on stellar evolution astronomy, allowing stellar nucleosynthesis, stellar core collapse nucleosynthesis and supernova nucleosynthesis to all be studied on a desktop, with varying compositions. The phenomenon of the water crystal propelled by the attraction to its bow shock has been named the LeClair Effect. Based on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, the LeClair Effect theory and the profound discoveries based on it pose a serious quantum theory challenge to the classical understanding of Newton's Laws of Motion and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. So sorry please excuse me... I know I sound like a one trick pony, but these crystals sound like a variation of Rydberg matter formed in water to me. *“many of the jets were seen to have facets and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.” * This is the strong coherent dipole charge produced by coherent electron motion at high Rydberg orbital numbers. Transmutation is caused by coherent quantum mechanical fusion processes involving a condensate of coherent protons pairs produced by Rydberg matter and an associated Efimov Effect. *“large hexagonal faceted head and narrow whip tail.”* This sounds like two dimensional Rydberg crystals to me. The crystals seem to be long lived indicating a high excitation level of high hydrogen S band orbitals. Filter these crystals out of the water after they are created by cavitation and they will produce fusion in your Rossi reactor without the secret sauce. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: NanoSpire, Inc. Successfully Harnesses Cavitation Zero Point Energy to Produce Dramatic Levels of Fusion Transmutation In Water press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html company website: http://www.nanospireinc.com/ Harry
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Jones Beene wrote: From the evidence and tests which were run at the time, and Jed may have more to say about this, many careful observers were open to the conclusion that Griggs may have seen OU at time, but unreliably. That is correct. It was unreliable or sporadic. When the apparent OU started up, the sound and performance changed markedly. It would sometimes last a half hour or so, but then suddenly revert. His active cavitation elements was a large rotor with milled indentations. These were not small. The device resemble an old fashioned siren. It is consistent with all we know to suggest that during the time spans that the Griggs pump worked reliably for excess heat - these coincided to self-created nano-pitting in the metal stator, and/or colloidal particles in the water. The test-bed device used a tank of dirty, rusty water. However, I think the most reliable and consistent results were reported by the county facility manager at the local fire department. The system inputs tap water and outputs hot water for the showers and other uses. So the water is clean. The device apparently produces only a small amount of over unity energy; so small that it has no economic or technological significance. When it produced excess heat, output was roughly 103% to 107% of input electricity. That is not impressive until you realize that without excess heat it is roughly 85% to 95% of input electricity because the device radiates a tremendous amount of heat and it is not insulated. The device gets hot enough that it would produce severe burns if you touched it. As far as the facilities manager and others (including me) can tell, there is error measuring input or output power. Hydrodynamics is still selling these devices and doing well. They do not advertise the fact that the machines apparently produce more energy out than in. Such claims are not good for business. See: http://hydrodynamics.com/ - Jed
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Unreliable yes but it was demonstrated over a much longer period than the bursts seen in Rowan confirmations of Rayney nickel and atomic hydrogen. I still contend that this process by it's very nature is destructive because it will runaway and destroy the geometry responsible for the OU. The Griggs device gives hope that the process can be damped and harnessed but the more energy produced by an individual cavity the more the energy producing geometry gets eroded. Perhaps Griggs should try tungsten or other high strength metals with high melting point? I don't think the effect can occur directly in water but his device probably alternates the contents of the cavity between water, vapor and disassociated gas atoms that is helping to cool the cavity and delay the break down. Fran Jed Rothwell Thu, 04 Nov 2010 06:55:41 -0700 Jones Beene wrote: From the evidence and tests which were run at the time, and Jed may have more to say about this, many careful observers were open to the conclusion that Griggs may have seen OU at time, but unreliably. That is correct. It was unreliable or sporadic. When the apparent OU started up, the sound and performance changed markedly. It would sometimes last a half hour or so, but then suddenly revert. His active cavitation elements was a large rotor with milled indentations. These were not small. The device resemble an old fashioned siren. It is consistent with all we know to suggest that during the time spans that the Griggs pump worked reliably for excess heat - these coincided to self-created nano-pitting in the metal stator, and/or colloidal particles in the water. The test-bed device used a tank of dirty, rusty water. However, I think the most reliable and consistent results were reported by the county facility manager at the local fire department. The system inputs tap water and outputs hot water for the showers and other uses. So the water is clean. The device apparently produces only a small amount of over unity energy; so small that it has no economic or technological significance. When it produced excess heat, output was roughly 103% to 107% of input electricity. That is not impressive until you realize that without excess heat it is roughly 85% to 95% of input electricity because the device radiates a tremendous amount of heat and it is not insulated. The device gets hot enough that it would produce severe burns if you touched it. As far as the facilities manager and others (including me) can tell, there is error measuring input or output power. Hydrodynamics is still selling these devices and doing well. They do not advertise the fact that the machines apparently produce more energy out than in. Such claims are not good for business. See: http://hydrodynamics.com/ - Jed
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I must admit, I thought the story about the bus to be too schmaltzy to be true. It was based on a factual incident but it still was too schmaltzy. It was a bus of tourists (the story doesn't exclude that they were tourist kids though...) but Philip died when his car was rammed by a bad driver - he did not sacrifice himself. I still think that this Mark guy using this story in the way he did still raises red flags. It all reeks of fantasy/hallucination/Walter Mitty. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com
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I think the bit about his brother being a secret service agent and saving a bus load of kids raised the biggest red flag to me. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com
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At 09:29 AM 10/29/2010, Nick Palmer wrote: I think the bit about his brother being a secret service agent and saving a bus load of kids raised the biggest red flag to me. Nick Palmer There is a host of details like this. Each one is possible, if only remotely possible. I started to realize that the story seemed to be dense with these over-the-top details. There are a number of possible explanations besides it happened that way. Mark wrote: His nephew, Phillip Lebid, was a Secret Service agent and sacrificed himself at age 30 to save a bus load of kids. Phillip was very behind what we are doing and we miss him greatly. In this case, this was literally true. http://www.policespecial.com/inthelineofduty/2004/04-143-Lebid.htm Notice an aspect of this: there is no sign that they were working on anything other than nanomachining with re-entrant water jets, in 2004. Notice the conflation between what they were doing, which PIllip supported, and what they are doing, which would be the very unusual work. I do assume that, however, Phillip would support any real research, as would -- and do -- I. I'm simply maintaining an awareness of the possibility that the whole thing could be seriously in error in some way. It's very clear that to some degree and in some ways, Mark's story is true. The question is how far it's true. And when I look for independent confirmation of the wild stuff, I've found none. None. And a pile of oddities, each one iffy, like the secret service agent story. If someone presents you with ten iffy facts, and you verify some of them, and they turn out to be true, that does not mean that the others are true and, in fact, a skillful hoaxer will find as many of these iffy facts as possible to present, precisely looking for the if he was right about that, he's probably right about the rest response. It's a well known deceptive technique. That doesn't mean that Mark is lying. It does mean that there is a lot of work to be done, by him as well as by others.
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At 12:48 PM 10/29/2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: His nephew, Phillip Lebid, was a Secret Service agent and sacrificed himself at age 30 to save a bus load of kids. Phillip was very behind what we are doing and we miss him greatly. In this case, this was literally true. http://www.policespecial.com/inthelineofduty/2004/04-143-Lebid.htm However, about to put this down entirely, I realized something. The article doesn't mention relatives. So I started to look for a sign of them. I searched for sergio phillip colleen lebid, Colleen, Phillip's mother, being mentioned in a story about the guy driving the car that Phillip ran into. First I found an obit: Lebid, Valentina VALENTINA LEBID, 82, beloved wife of Ivan (deceased); loving mother of Lilia (deceased), Nadia Barthol (Herbert, deceased), Nicolas (Colleen) and Sergio (Lucya); dear grandmother http://obits.cleveland.com/Cleveland/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStoryPersonId=95847096(more) This could be the family, I assume, without paying for the detailed obit, that a Phillip is mentioned as a grandchild, and that Serge may be named after an uncle, Sergio. http://obits.cleveland.com/obituaries/cleveland/obituary-preview.aspx?n=valentina-lebidpid=95847096referrer=258 It costs $2.95 to read the obit. Tempting Looking further, I found this: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/27/271611/tampa-man-sentenced-15-after-probation-violations/ From the article: I agreed with the probation before. I figured he needed a chance, said the Secret Service special agent's mother, Colleen Lebid. He really has insulted us terribly. Not by the first time but by the second time. His attitude is cavalier. David Lebid, Phillip Lebid's brother, said he still misses his brother greatly. He loved me, and I wanted to be in his life for a long time, David Lebid said. I can no longer do that. Not conclusive. There could be another brother. If I had some money to spend, I'd buy the right to read the whole obit. Since it lists deceased relatives, it would certainly list Serge. Except the name is actually Sergio. David Lebid is 28 years old. I forget how old Sergio is, but he could indeed be the brother of Colleen, not her son (or did I read that obit correctly -- what do the parentheses mean). Sergio Lebid (principal in NanoSpire) attended Cleveland State University, starting in 1972, after high school in Brooklyn. So the latest he'd have been born, unless quite unusual, would be roughly 1954, making him 53 in 2007. While it's remotely possible that Valentina, who died at 82 in 2007, was his grandmother, it seems more likely that she was his mother. To be the grandmother, the average age at birth of the mothers involved would be 14.5. Very, very thin. Or I've misread something Someone who needs to know might look at that obit But if it turns out that there was a small error in what Mark wrote, so what? He'll just say, Oops! I got that not quite right. If it turns out that Sergio Lebid of NanoSpire is not a close relative of Phillip Lebid, it would look pretty bad.
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-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Getting back to the important details - there are the 3 patents: http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=%22Mark%20L%20Leclair%22b tnG=Search%20Patentsrview=1 And the old one from 1994 seems to have been overlooked, but could be important IF there are trade secrets being left out of the account. Why ? Well this patent combines nanoparticles and cavitation in a way that would not be obvious if you are assuming that this work was only about sonoluminescence and not about hybrid energy techniques. If we can assume that there are trade secrets; and that LeClair is basically an honest man; then this work is extremely important. There is a wealth of information on the acceleration of catalysis during cavitation in the field of sonochemistry. One way to look at this would be as a process that uses cavitation and sonochemistry and nano-technology - to produces either pycnodeuterium and/or fractional hydrogen and/or LENR (perhaps step-wise) using a hybrid approach, some of which is NOT being disclosed by the inventor, so far. If there is any way that Mark LeClair is for real - then this hybrid approach could be extremely important as it shows how to go from nanoparticles, let's say something like the Arata nanopowder alloy, and to apply mechanical energy to a colloid of that powder in such a way that nuclear reactions are massively accelerated. Given that Arata claims helium, and after what is essentially zero power input (after triggering) - think of the implications of increasing the rate of helium production by a factor of 10e6, which not an uncommon ratio for such known increases in sonochemistry. Twenty years ago, the question was cynically asked by skeptics about the whereabouts of the dead graduate assistant and now we could be seeing a partial answer to the reality of that assumed risk. If Mark LeClair is genuinely honest. Jones
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Obit: VALENTINA LEBID, 82, beloved wife of Ivan (deceased); loving mother of Lilia (deceased), Nadia Barthol (Herbert, deceased), Nicolas (Colleen) and Sergio (Lucya); dear grandmother of Herbert, Phillip (deceased), Nicole, Andreas, David, Dimitri, Nicolas and Adrian, and great grandmother of Kiley and Brendan. Funeral Services, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007 at 9:30 a.m. at the funeral home and at 10 a.m. at St. Theodosius Orthodox Cathedral. Interment St. Theodosius Cemetery. Family will receive friends at THE YURCH FUNERAL HOME, 5618 BROADVIEW RD., PARMA, OH (BETWEEN SNOW AND BROOK-PARK) WEDNESDAY 2-4 AND 7-9 P.M. PANIHIDA SERVICE WEDNESDAY 8:30 P.M. www.cleveland.com/obits Guestbook: October 10, 2007 Words cannot express my feelings in this sad time for you and your family. My prayers are with you and my God give you the strength to remember and take joy of the goodtimes and carry you through the pain and sadness through the following days. ~ Nellie Bentley, Santa Rosa, California |Contact Me October 10, 2007 She will be greatly missed. My heart goes out to all of you...love and smypathy. ~ Bianca Bellis, Ft. Myers, Florida |Contact Me October 10, 2007 Our deepest sympathy's for your family. Valentina was a great woman and will surely be missed. With our love, ~ Lindsay and Shaun Bird, Parma, Ohio |Contact Me end You can read it yourself for the next 24 hours. T
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Only looked at the first patent so far but the concept of milling/high speed mixing a colloid of nano suspended catalyst would certainly seem to trump the Griggs idea using just water. Fran -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:NanoSpire -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Getting back to the important details - there are the 3 patents: http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=%22Mark%20L%20Leclair%22b tnG=Search%20Patentsrview=1 And the old one from 1994 seems to have been overlooked, but could be important IF there are trade secrets being left out of the account. Why ? Well this patent combines nanoparticles and cavitation in a way that would not be obvious if you are assuming that this work was only about sonoluminescence and not about hybrid energy techniques. If we can assume that there are trade secrets; and that LeClair is basically an honest man; then this work is extremely important. There is a wealth of information on the acceleration of catalysis during cavitation in the field of sonochemistry. One way to look at this would be as a process that uses cavitation and sonochemistry and nano-technology - to produces either pycnodeuterium and/or fractional hydrogen and/or LENR (perhaps step-wise) using a hybrid approach, some of which is NOT being disclosed by the inventor, so far. If there is any way that Mark LeClair is for real - then this hybrid approach could be extremely important as it shows how to go from nanoparticles, let's say something like the Arata nanopowder alloy, and to apply mechanical energy to a colloid of that powder in such a way that nuclear reactions are massively accelerated. Given that Arata claims helium, and after what is essentially zero power input (after triggering) - think of the implications of increasing the rate of helium production by a factor of 10e6, which not an uncommon ratio for such known increases in sonochemistry. Twenty years ago, the question was cynically asked by skeptics about the whereabouts of the dead graduate assistant and now we could be seeing a partial answer to the reality of that assumed risk. If Mark LeClair is genuinely honest. Jones
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At 02:15 PM 10/29/2010, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Getting back to the important details - there are the 3 patents: http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=%22Mark%20L%20Leclair%22b tnG=Search%20Patentsrview=1 And the old one from 1994 seems to have been overlooked, but could be important IF there are trade secrets being left out of the account. He's said that his interest is getting the information out, but he has not described all the details, for sure. It's sketchy. Very sketchy. Why ? Well this patent combines nanoparticles and cavitation in a way that would not be obvious if you are assuming that this work was only about sonoluminescence and not about hybrid energy techniques. If we can assume that there are trade secrets; and that LeClair is basically an honest man; then this work is extremely important. I wrote this from the beginning. This is very unlikely be a simple mistake, i.e., calorimetry error, some glitch with contamination, etc. It simply doesn't read that way. It reads like a science-fiction story. Is truth stranger than fiction? Could be, I just don't expect it. (The story begins ... on a web site with user-generated content, there appeared an article about an obscure company in Maine, NanoSpire. A few minutes later, the CEO of this company posted his story to an also-obscure mailing list for reseachers in condensed matter nuclear sciece, a field long regarded as fringe or worse. ...) There is a wealth of information on the acceleration of catalysis during cavitation in the field of sonochemistry. One way to look at this would be as a process that uses cavitation and sonochemistry and nano-technology - to produces either pycnodeuterium and/or fractional hydrogen and/or LENR (perhaps step-wise) using a hybrid approach, some of which is NOT being disclosed by the inventor, so far. Sure. Could be about anything. If there is any way that Mark LeClair is for real - then this hybrid approach could be extremely important as it shows how to go from nanoparticles, let's say something like the Arata nanopowder alloy, and to apply mechanical energy to a colloid of that powder in such a way that nuclear reactions are massively accelerated. It appears that Mark LeClair is real, though I've seen no *proof* that it is Mark LeClair of NanoSpire who has been corresponding on the list. Someone could confirm this with a phone call to NanoSpire, I assume. However, that science fiction story could have a very complex plot and layers of twists, impersonations at various levels, etc. It would still be believable on some level. It could be very dark, (Where is the real Mark LeClear? Where is the real Sergio Lebed?) or it could be a story of courage and persistence, and both tremendous hope and tremendous danger for humanity. Given that Arata claims helium, and after what is essentially zero power input (after triggering) - think of the implications of increasing the rate of helium production by a factor of 10e6, which not an uncommon ratio for such known increases in sonochemistry. I find that unlikly. He's got every reason to think that he's reached hot fusion temperatures, assuming his report is accurate. He's using a brute force technique, i.e., very high velocity jets. (They are very precise, so brute force could be misleading, rather, I'm pointing to the very high velocity and pressure asserted (0.5 c, so many gigapascals.) Twenty years ago, the question was cynically asked by skeptics about the whereabouts of the dead graduate assistant and now we could be seeing a partial answer to the reality of that assumed risk. Well, the dead grad student was mentioned because if the reaction had been hot fusion, with the reported excess heat, the neutron levels would have been fatal. But the F-P reaction was not hot fusion, it was cold fusion, and not simply a new catalyzed d-d fusion, because that would have also produced the neutrons, MCF has the same branching ratio. What we call cold fusion is very different from bubble fusion; cold fusion appears to depend upon the possible arrangements available in condensed matter, where group quantum effects can produce unexpected phenomena. Bubble fusion, if it works, depends on developing very high temperatures/pressures when the bubbles collapse. While some hybrid is possible to conceive, I won't detail it. Mark has said that the apparatus contained only aluminum and pure water. You've followed a red herring. If Mark LeClair is genuinely honest. And sane. There is a book I stumbled across yesterday with the title Cold Fusion, written by a woman who fell into paranoid schizophrenia. I have a little experience of this myself, a fugue when I was in my early twenties. It was not as dramatic, I'd say, as the woman, nor as what Mark is reporting. But it's certainly possible. A person can report experiences, strung upon a net of real sensory
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At 03:40 PM 10/29/2010, Terry Blanton wrote: Obit: VALENTINA LEBID, 82, beloved wife of Ivan (deceased); loving mother of Lilia (deceased), Nadia Barthol (Herbert, deceased), Nicolas (Colleen) and Sergio (Lucya); dear grandmother of Herbert, Phillip (deceased), Nicole, Andreas, David, Dimitri, Nicolas and Adrian, and great grandmother of Kiley and Brendan. Funeral Services, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007 at 9:30 a.m. at the funeral home and at 10 a.m. at St. Theodosius Orthodox Cathedral. Interment St. Theodosius Cemetery. Family will receive friends at THE YURCH FUNERAL HOME, 5618 BROADVIEW RD., PARMA, OH (BETWEEN SNOW AND BROOK-PARK) WEDNESDAY 2-4 AND 7-9 P.M. PANIHIDA SERVICE WEDNESDAY 8:30 P.M. http://www.cleveland.com/obitswww.cleveland.com/obits Confirmed. That's what it says. Slaps head! Of course. Phillip was the nephew of Sergio. I don't know where I got the idea this was a brother. Goes to show. This is confirmation of the relationship. Phillip died, as I recall, in 2004, and is listed as deceased in 2007. Colleen is in parenthesis because she is the wife of Nicolas. So, one oddity confirmed, Mark LeClair's report was accurate. Sergio Lebid's nephew was a Secret Service agent who died saving a bus full of kids. A hero. How many oddities to go?
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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: So, one oddity confirmed, Mark LeClair's report was accurate. Sergio Lebid's nephew was a Secret Service agent who died saving a bus full of kids. A hero. Good heavens. I feel bad for poking fun at the claim. It is humbling and embarrassing. From the news report, it does not seem the agent deliberately put himself in harm's way. He just happened to be driving alongside the bus and his car absorbed most of the kinetic energy from the crash. Still, unwittingly or not, he was sacrificed. (It doesn't say there were kids on the bus. It says tour bus. But let's not quibble.) - Jed
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: I'll just note that if the security agencies are not aware of this story, they are asleep on the job. Or the controls have changed. T
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Parma, OH rings a bell with someone else. CF? AG? I wish the archives went to the beginning. T
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: I'll just note that if the security agencies are not aware of this story, they are asleep on the job. Or the controls have changed. Jack Reacher, alone, in the dark.
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-Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X the concept of milling/high speed mixing a colloid of nano suspended catalyst would certainly seem to trump the Griggs idea using just water. A few points worth mentioning wrt Griggs. From the evidence and tests which were run at the time, and Jed may have more to say about this, many careful observers were open to the conclusion that Griggs may have seen OU at time, but unreliably. His active cavitation elements was a large rotor with milled indentations. These were not small. Nanotechnology was in its infancy and never mentioned AFAIK. It is consistent with all we know to suggest that during the time spans that the Griggs pump worked reliably for excess heat - these coincided to self-created nano-pitting in the metal stator, and/or colloidal particles in the water. There are a number of instances of iron oxide colloid in water (brown NOT red) being associated with water energy anomalies. Jones
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I wonder if Yuri Potapov is selling his heater still? T
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From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence : An unusually exotic theory of sonoluminescence, which has received much popular attention, is the Casimir energy theory suggested by noted physicist Julian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Schwinger Schwinger[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence#cite_note-4#cite_note-4 and more thoroughly considered in a paper by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Claudia_Eberleinaction=editredl ink=1 Claudia Eberlein[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence#cite_note-5#cite_note-5 of the University of Sussex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Sussex . Eberlein's paper suggests that the light in sonoluminescence is generated by the vacuum within the bubble in a process similar to Hawking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation radiation, the radiation generated at the event http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon horizon of black holes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole . According to this vacuum energy explanation, since quantum theory holds that vacuum contains virtual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle particles, the rapidly moving interface between water and gas converts virtual photons into real photons. This is related to the Unruh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_effect effect or the Casimir effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect . If true, sonoluminescence may be the first observable example of quantum vacuum radiation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state . The argument has been made that sonoluminescence releases too large an amount of energy and releases the energy on too short a time scale to be consistent with the vacuum energy explanation,[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence#cite_note-6#cite_note-6 although other credible sources argue the vacuum energy explanation might yet prove to be correct.[8 I think Schwinger was correct in attributing sonoluminescence to Casimir effect but should have concentrated on the rate of change in Casimir geometry by the meniscus of the compressed bubbles in cavitation- the liquid medium is uniform and if conductive makes the bubble essentially equivalent to Casimir plates - I am positing that the acoustic energy used by Energetics and the laser energy being discussed in this thread are both concentrating and rapidly` reshaping the bubble into Casimir geometry - In this scenario very little spatial motion of the trapped gas is needed because like the BLP or MAHG device we may be dealing with equivalent acceleration afforded by the catalyst/change in Casimir force. Even in distilled water you could have a conductive gas layer pressed against the miniscus when the hydrogen and oxygen are disassociated.
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From: Frank *I think Schwinger was correct in attributing sonoluminescence to Casimir effect but should have concentrated on the rate of change in Casimir geometry by the meniscus of the compressed bubbles in cavitation- the liquid medium is uniform and if conductive makes the bubble essentially equivalent to Casimir plates You and I agree that Schwinger was correct on this - and that excess energy could have come from that source, but still - this overlooks the claimed radiation poisoning and the anomalous large excesses. How would Stringham have missed it, for instance? It would be instructive to see a medical report which affirms that radiation poisoning was diagnosed by a professional - instead of this being 100% anecdotal. I doubt that LeClair is competent to make that kind of diagnosis otherwise. However, there were at one time on the web many other reports about ill health effects which were seen in circumstances where energy anomalies and EUV could have been present, and if memory serves, Bill B. included a couple on his site years ago, but they may have been removed . since they were said to have been due to orgone or negative orgone, whatever that is. IOW do you find any merit in justifying one pseudo-scientific claim with others? Answer: you might if you are a hands-on experimenter. This level of doubt does not negate LeClair's other claims, but there are many other red flags besides radiation poisoning. Several in fact. Jones
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At 07:40 PM 10/27/2010, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water Interesting method of bubble control. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7517430.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7297288.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6960307.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6932914.pdf The technology of bubble control is real, I believe. If anyone could pull off sonofusion, it would be them. But what they are claiming goes way, way beyond that, and the best opinion I've seen on this is that the experimental evidence does not support the theoretical conclusions they are now promoting -- but they are, so far, only promoting this on the CMNS list, which is downright weird. The theoretical conclusions are so wild, that the equally wild experience they report is called into question. One of the fishy aspects of this is that David Nagel of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory is very aware of their work, and has been for years. The reported nuclear accident, he knows about. If he believed this was real, almost certainly the military would have immediately clamped down on this, and the investigation would continue under government support and control. As has been noticed here, they have, if their reports are true, developed a nifty nuclear device or trigger. This isn't lightweight stuff. If this were real, we would almost certainly not be hearing about it. That's not conspiracy theory, that is an understanding of what a sensible national security agency would do. There are many aspects of the reports that I gave here which are very odd. I won't bother to list them, but my own conclusion was to be wary abut accepting any of the reports as real. Maybe they are real, I couldn't possibly advance an impossibility argument, based on what is, bottom line, a series of observations of phenomena previously unknown. They claim to want to get the information out. So, first place they post about this is the private CMNS list? (That posting coincided with the appearance of the examiner.com article.) Both of those are not places to get mainstream attention!
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-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax This isn't lightweight stuff. If this were real, we would almost certainly not be hearing about it. Yes - that is the reddest of the red flags for me. This has 'military significance' written all over it. Plus, having had a look (via Google Earth) at their underwhelming facilities, there could not exist the kind of staff and ongoing well-equipped laboratory which would be necessary for work of this caliber of claimed results. More like a rural barn. It almost smells of some kind of a lure, meant to entice enemy agents out of deep cover holes - in some kind of twisted spy-vs-spy scenario. High entertainment value however. Where is Keanu when we need him? ... which does not mean that this is impossible, merely improbable. Jones
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At 12:39 PM 10/28/2010, Jones Beene wrote: From: Frank ØI think Schwinger was correct in attributing sonoluminescence to Casimir effect but should have concentrated on the rate of change in Casimir geometry by the meniscus of the compressed bubbles in cavitation- the liquid medium is uniform and if conductive makes the bubble essentially equivalent to Casimir plates You and I agree that Schwinger was correct on this and that excess energy could have come from that source, but still - this overlooks the claimed radiation poisoning and the anomalous large excesses. How would Stringham have missed it, for instance? They may have set up conditions that were well beyond what had ever been done before. That's likely, by the way, I think. It would be instructive to see a medical report which affirms that radiation poisoning was diagnosed by a professional instead of this being 100% anecdotal. Well, I'll repeat what he wrote: I was sickened, along with Serge, in two separate experiments. We barely survived the first set of experiments, this is no laughing matter. The day after the experiment, Serge showed symptoms first, vomiting and diarrhea. A day later, I was in the same boat. For two days, we both had to fight to breath, I was convinced I was going to die. My wife and children witnessed both of our symptoms, Serge stayed with us for months before he was well enough to return home to Cleveland. I lost about one third of my hair. I had beta burn on my skin. I was sore down the entire length of the right side of my body, the side facing the experiment. Blood tests showed that my white blood cells were nearly wiped out. McMaster University did SKY radiation dosimetry on us gratis, and found multiple chromosome breaks and translocations in both of us and concluded it was plausible it was caused by radiation damage. For five months, we had no ability to thermoregulate our body temperature, which would swing from 95 degrees up to 101 degrees, back and forth over the course of minutes. I had to cal 911 when Serge passed out from a 95 degree body temperature. The first responders did not even dare to enter the lab to carry him out. Over the course of months, we both lost the linings of our intestines. This was particularly disturbing since GI problems associated with radiation are the sign of a near fatal dose. Every object within two meters of the experiment was laced with nuclear tracks. The experiment triggered massive transmutation of the elements, conformed by extensive SEM-EDAX, XPS and LA-ICP-MS mass spec. Ninety different elements were detected in large amounts (grams), inluding the presence of many short-lived isotopes. The isotope ratios were indentical to those found in supernovas, and did not resemble natural abundances at all. The transmuted particles were so hot, they cooked the polystyrene dishes they were placed in, turning the bottom nearly opaque with nuclear tracks that formed a ring around the bottom of the dish. This is only a small sample of what happened. A warning to you all, anyone spending more than a few hours next to this device would end up dead. There are suspicious aspects to this. Why did the first responders not dare to enter the lab? The way the story is told, they did not at first suspect radiation sickness. That's why it happened twice. But, with the first responders, clearly it was believed that there was significant radiation. They talk about a Geiger counter only showing 20% count elevation. That would not inhibit a first responder, they'd go into worse than that! But it can happen that doubts can be raised about real and factual resports. I could go on about reasons for skepticism. But, on the other side, if he is reporting (perhaps not perfectly!) about what happened, this was radiation sickness. So far, all positive reports about this have come from Mark. I originally said that he was either lying or he'd made a major discovery. I'll add a third possibility: he's insane. I think of Nash. I doubt that LeClair is competent to make that kind of diagnosis otherwise. Following the story, he did not do it on his own. I've seen nothing from his partner on this, Serge. Serge is the one with a prior expressed interest in zero point energy, fusion, and the Casimir effect. David Nagel has known about this work, and was quoted in the examiner.com article as having had his bullshit detector activated when he heard about the radiation poisoning. What does that mean? Given that he said nothing positive, and that he's apparently known Mark LeClair for years, according to what I quoted here, this is telling. What I'd recommend, for someone with the resources and the need to know, is to first attempt to validate the account. Those first responders, they would remember the incident. How many times do you refuse to go into a lab because the radiation levels are too high?
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By parsimony, maybe bubble creation rips apart water molecules and collapse fuses the hydrogen by brute force. Xrays and energetic neutrons resulting could make one sick. But the onset of symptoms usually takes less than six hours. I don't recall, did they suffer hair loss? T
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At 03:47 PM 10/28/2010, Terry Blanton wrote: By parsimony, maybe bubble creation rips apart water molecules and collapse fuses the hydrogen by brute force. Xrays and energetic neutrons resulting could make one sick. But the onset of symptoms usually takes less than six hours. They apparently had rapid onset of symptoms. I don't recall, did they suffer hair loss? Mark wrote, I quoted here: I lost about one third of my hair. Moving on, I've noticed another piece of the tendency to hype in promoting this. In his comment defending his reputation against my hoax suspicion, Mark wrote, about the author of the examiner.com article: Mark Albertson is the TV producer for Tech Closeup, that has 40 million viewers and did a superb job of writing the article. I'd agree that the article was well-written, and it appears that the author did contact sources, he did not simply depend on what Mark LeClair told him. He talked to Storms and to David Nagel. He tried to talk to Media Sciences, but though there is no Media Sciences, there is a Media Sciences International, and they make printer cartridges. They are in New Jersey, so that's the company Albertson tried to contact. Mark mentions that they provided the analysis of the elements found in certain material (from the nuclear incident?), Media Sciences performed SEM-EDAX for us gratis. Given the nature of Media Sciences, that seems dodgy, but perhaps they have the equipment for some reason. I'd think that it was not they who provided the analyses, but someone specific there. In any case, they did not return phone calls from Albertson's phone calls were not returned. Mark cites about everything he can think of to demonstrate his reputation. He's known in the field of cavitation, that's clear. But almost everything is pretty old. Now, about Mark Albertson. http://www.techcloseup.com/ is his site. From there: Mark Albertson, Executive Producer of Tech Closeup, now has a regular column on technology in the San Francisco Examiner. This is less than impressive. In fact, it's misleading. There is a newspaper called The San Francisco Examiner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Examiner Their web site is http://sfexaminer.com Albertson's column is on examiner.com. I.e, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examiner.com examiner.com has local editions. One of the first was in San Francisco, and here is his author page there: http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/mark-albertson As this is the Examiner, and it is the San Francisco edition, it is the San Francisco Examiner That fooled me once on Wikipedia, I imagined that the venerable newspaper would be a reliable source not. There is no editorial oversight, and writers are paid per view, about a penny. You can imagine how this goes over on Wikipedia it's generally blacklisted, but some of the articles on the examiner.com are quite good, and they are occasionally whitelisted when they are the best source available on something, and there are grounds for considering it reliable enough. I consider this article by Albertson good, it seems reasonably fair and it seems reasonably balanced. It isn't perfect. Now, what does that have to do with Mark's reliability as a scientist? I noticed one statement from the article: If true, the two Maine-based scientists have found a process that could revolutionize the energy industry. But, like any new technology using unusual methods, their research has also come under fire and is facing a good deal of skepticism from the scientific community. I have seen no sign that the research has been announced to the scientific community. The first public mention I've been able to find of this research, including the radiation accident, which purportedly happened a year ago, was the examiner.com article. So what is Albertson talking about? What scientists did he talk to? He only mentions Nagel and Storms, and Storms was noncommital and Nagel was positively skeptical, as I read the comment in the article. I've looked, and while I could certainly overlook something, I have been able to find nothing about their work as it relates to nuclear reactions, beyond a LinkedIn page for Serge that mentions an interest. The company page mentions nothing about this research. There are no public discussions until ... vortex-l, here (since the CMNS list, which predates this discussion by a couple of days, is private.) Is Albertson talking only about Storms and Nagel? If so, this isn't terribly representative of the scientific community, this would be, rather, the cold fusion research community, two members of it, and they were both quite skeptical, more than Albertson indicated, I believe. I see no sign that Mark has convinced *anyone* of his claims. But also no sign that he's seriously tried, in public. He may have been rejected privately many times. And both Storms and Nagel would not be inclined,
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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: They apparently had rapid onset of symptoms. I thought Mark's partner's symptoms were delayed by two weeks. I admit I did not read the article closely. Mark wrote, I quoted here: I lost about one third of my hair. I certainly would have made a photographic record of that! T
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At 02:16 PM 10/28/2010, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax This isn't lightweight stuff. If this were real, we would almost certainly not be hearing about it. Yes - that is the reddest of the red flags for me. This has 'military significance' written all over it. Plus, having had a look (via Google Earth) at their underwhelming facilities, there could not exist the kind of staff and ongoing well-equipped laboratory which would be necessary for work of this caliber of claimed results. More like a rural barn. Work of what caliber? We really haven't seen much data, nor anything about the exact experiments. Basically, they've been working with their patented equipment, to develop it. Until the examiner.com article a few days ago, there was no sign of this other work, of the truly remarkable findings. There do not appear to be patent applications relating to this new discovery, as far as I've seen. His last patent, awarded last year, is about the equipment. It almost smells of some kind of a lure, meant to entice enemy agents out of deep cover holes - in some kind of twisted spy-vs-spy scenario. High entertainment value however. Where is Keanu when we need him? ... which does not mean that this is impossible, merely improbable. The original report in the examiner seemed within possibility to me. It's still within possibility, but far more improbable. The more details that came out, the less likely it seemed. If we just look at what he says, Wow! How amazing! But if we start to think about the implications, such as the military angle mentioned above, and that the military would almost certainly know about this, red flag. That there was allegedly a nuclear accident, with severe injuries in Buxton, Maine, with no local media coverage, red flag. (The first responders are asserted to have been unwilling to go into the lab, presumbably because of radiation. The police would be informed. They would inform the feds and others, I'm sure.) http://business.mainetoday.com/entrepreneur/030815nanospire.shtml Fascinating technology. So ... what happened? Nanospire has generated very little news for such a remarkable technology. Did they hit a bump in the road? Did funding run out? The investor Mark mentioned wants to be anonymous. Not a terribly good sign. They were looking for major funding, from the government. The story was 2003, Nanospire, it says, was founded in 2002. Seven cofounders are mentioned; the databox says seven unpaid employees. Given the location, it would appear that the only one regularly working there would be Mark. Serge Lebed lives elsewhere, but was apparently visiting and working with Mark when the nuclear incidents took place. Given Lebed's interest in ZPE and Casmir Effect and fusion, that they were blindsided by so much radiation, so blindsided that apparently they didn't get the message the first time they got sick, seems fishy. I have written that I've seen no evidence of anything illegal, but ... there are a few wilder possibilities that would be *very* illegal. I'm not even going to describe them, but it will all come out, I believe, if this is investigated. One way or the other, it will come out, unless the military take over, in which case the whole situation might mysteriously disappear, I really don't know exactly what they would do. Interesting idea, the lure theory. Sure. That could be opportunistic. Mark appears, with this story. The military checks it out, finds that it's not real. But, hey, what a chance to lead other working groups astray! And to see if any fishermen show up to check out this smelly fish. If they found it was real, absolutely, this would be locked down, fast. I dislike the military and military secrecy, but ... I also would not like to see this technology, if real, in the hands of terrorists or rogue nations. I don't like that my own government has access to nuclear weapons, I wish nobody did, but the major powers, at least, have been able to restrain themselves for more than sixty years on this. A technology that could be used to develop weapons with no more than a few million dollars -- and maybe much less -- ... very dangerous. Thermonuclear devices are difficult to make because they've required a nuclear trigger, to get them hot enough quickly enough so that the reaction takes place before the materials are all scattered. So to make a thermonuclear weapon, you have to have a fission bomb. That's hard to come by, the materials are tightly controlled and they aren't common. It's not difficult to imagine using the technology LeClair has patented, if it does what he claims, to set off a series of reactions simultaneously on the outside of a sphere of fusible material. This is highly controllable, as described. The whole thing would be compressed and fusion rates would be high. The materials are common, nothing special. Uff! I really don't like it at
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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:44:47 -0700: Hi, [snip] Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water At 3300 mph, the kinetic energy of an Oxygen atom is 0.18 eV. (H is much less). So unless some form of energy concentration is taking place direct fusion seems highly unlikely. However with some form of concentration, perhaps enough energy may be gathered to create O++ (requires 48.7 eV) which is a Mills catalyst, potentially leading to Hydrino formation, and thence to fusion. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com At 3300 mph, the kinetic energy of an Oxygen atom is 0.18 eV. (H is much less). So unless some form of energy concentration is taking place direct fusion seems highly unlikely OK, you are almost there - for Zeno. Forget the kinetic part - red herring. Remember that it all begins with a laser focused at the bubble near a channel or pore in the containment wall - IOW - the laser focuses into a Casimir cavity. (see the patents on their site) The concentrator could be the bubble itself, but not in the way you are thinking IMO. The bubble is a micro lens that focuses the laser beam into reciprocal space. IOW the focusing effect is so intense into the Dirac negative energy field that we get an effect that is said to be more intense than fusion more like a supernova, which is like saying that there is far more than 24 MeV per the same volume of space of the resultant alpha... which might definitely give radiation sickness even at low levels of input. This is not you workaday fizzix ;) Which. Of source may mean that it is closer to Sci-Fi than they are willing to admit. In fact, there is a 99% probability that this is no more than QBS, and/or the lingering mental delusions brought on by radiation sickness, but ... OTOH ... we vorticians are always holding out for the major miracle, no? I have a hunch that this one is more promising than most ... Jones
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water Interesting method of bubble control. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7517430.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7297288.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6960307.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6932914.pdf T
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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:13:22 -0700: Hi, [snip] Remember that it all begins with a laser focused at the bubble near a channel or pore in the containment wall - IOW - the laser focuses into a Casimir cavity. (see the patents on their site) Actually, the laser focuses into the fluid to create the bubble. It is the fluid jet from the bubble collapse that enters the cavity. The concentrator could be the bubble itself, but not in the way you are thinking IMO. The bubble is a micro lens that focuses the laser beam into reciprocal space. A gas bubble in a liquid act as a concave not a convex lens, hence the beam would be dispersed by the bubble, not concentrated (let alone into reciprocal space) ;) [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
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At 03:44 PM 10/27/2010, Jones Beene wrote: Speaking of Q-Zeno Q-Foam http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-waterhttp://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water I'm going to put some material posted to the private CMNS mailing list here, because the author stated, in response to my mention that material posted there might not be kept confidential: I intend this material to be public. This is too important and I feel the public as a right to know. The reference to the above page, cited by Jonas, appeared on the CMNS list the same day as the article came out. Since there has started, here, some speculation and response, based on very incomplete information, I'm copying here the actual posts of Mark LeCair to that list. I will redact any quotations from others, because, in general, posts to that list are confidental and should be so treated. But anyone may consent to the release of their own writing, and I might quote some of my own. Before starting, I must say that I have personally found adequate cause to doubt absolutely everything that Mark LeGrand has said. Note doubt. I have no proof, only suspicion arising from a mass of details found when I researched this, it was enough for me to warn the CMNS list and the researchers that there could be some severe problems with this. Some of what Mark has said has been confirmed, but some of that turns out to be less impressive than what he may have claimed. I will comment on this with a separate mail. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:20:12 EDT Subject: CMNS: NanoSpire Article This is our first posting to the group. This should get the discussion rolling. http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-waterhttp://www.examiner.com/technology-in-san-francisco/scientists-may-have-found-gold-water Regards, Mark L. LeClair CEO Founder NanoSpire, Inc. Ph.: 207.929.6226 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-leclair/10/61/349http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-leclair/10/61/349 [I'll leave off the signature for the rest of the posts.] [I responded, noting the importance of caution in dealing with this material. I was generally accepting the possibility that the report from the article could be true.] Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:41:40 EDT Subject: Re: CMNS: NanoSpire Article Fair enough. It was designed to get the word out, a heads up. There were a few inaccuracies and misquotes, but we didn't write the article. I never claimed that the material was peer reviewed in the sense of jounal publications, but it was reviewed by many top-tier scientists. I was sickened, along with Serge, in two separate experiments. We barely survived the first set of experiments, this is no laughing matter. The day after the experiment, Serge showed symptoms first, vomiting and diarrhea. A day later, I was in the same boat. For two days, we both had to fight to breath, I was convinced I was going to die. My wife and children witnessed both of our symptoms, Serge stayed with us for months before he was well enough to return home to Cleveland. I lost about one third of my hair. I had beta burn on my skin. I was sore down the entire length of the right side of my body, the side facing the experiment. Blood tests showed that my white blood cells were nearly wiped out. McMaster University did SKY radiation dosimetry on us gratis, and found multiple chromosome breaks and translocations in both of us and concluded it was plausible it was caused by radiation damage. For five months, we had no ability to thermoregulate our body temperature, which would swing from 95 degrees up to 101 degrees, back and forth over the course of minutes. I had to cal 911 when Serge passed out from a 95 degree body temperature. The first responders did not even dare to enter the lab to carry him out. Over the course of months, we both lost the linings of our intestines. This was particularly disturbing since GI problems associated with radiation are the sign of a near fatal dose. Every object within two meters of the experiment was laced with nuclear tracks. The experiment triggered massive transmutation of the elements, conformed by extensive SEM-EDAX, XPS and LA-ICP-MS mass spec. Ninety different elements were detected in large amounts (grams), inluding the presence of many short-lived isotopes. The isotope ratios were indentical to those found in supernovas, and did not resemble natural abundances at all. The transmuted particles were so hot, they cooked the polystyrene dishes they were placed in, turning the bottom nearly opaque with nuclear tracks that formed a ring around the bottom of the dish. This is only a small sample of what happened. A warning to you all, anyone spending more than a few hours next to this device would end up dead. Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:27:21 EDT Subject: CMNS: The LeClair Effect I have decided to
