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From: Bob Cook
… the size of the Z point or line [1D interface] must be pretty
small, between the proton size and the Heisenberg dimension of about 10^-35
cm. It may be that the wave of the proton is such that it can fit inside
the dimension of the single line
sea via the Uncertainty Principle.
Bob
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
… the size
From: Bob Higgins
Well, yes, it is semantics. What you are describing is not chemical energy at
all. Chemical energy specifically deals with the shared electron binding
energy in formation of compounds with other atoms. What you are describing is
the possible ability of monatomic H, D,
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
From: Bob Higgins
Well, yes, it is semantics. What you are describing is not chemical energy
at all. Chemical energy specifically deals with the shared electron binding
energy in formation of compounds with other atoms
, 2014 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
From: Bob Higgins
Well, yes, it is semantics. What you are describing is not chemical energy
at all. Chemical energy specifically deals with the shared electron binding
energy in formation of compounds
From: Bob Cook
In short, the Dirac sea is one-dimensional (1D) and the
bare proton permits an interface with that dimension, whereas no other atom
can easily do this.
Does the Dirac theory address a mechanism of
Bob,
Another point for consideration, especially in invoking a “Dirac sea”
modality for some or all of the energy gain in Ni-H involves magnetism, but
in the context of one dimensionality.
It is clear that many experiments (Ahern et al) show a peak in thermal gain
near the Curie point of nickel
Jones,
Do you think a strong magnetic field, such as a million watt 3 GHz
electromagnetic pulse from a doppler microwave radar tower can entice
particles (positively charged) from the Dirac Sea?
Stewart
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Bob,
Another
Yes, I think it(the vacuum) might be CREATING the high humidity, I am not
sure it is just friction. High vacuum concentration in our atmosphere =
high humidity. I think maybe the vacuum ionizes O2 producing 2O-- which is
combining with protons from the vacuum to form water vapor H2O
That is why
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
Bob,
Another point for consideration, especially in invoking a “Dirac sea”
modality for some or all of the energy gain in Ni-H involves magnetism, but
in the context of one dimensionality
While it is an interesting hypothesis that the real nascent energy of
pre-split monatomic H is greater than previously ascribed by a factor of
2-3, this has nothing to do with the eCat's COP of 2.5. The eCat input is
not burning H2, it is primarily electric. When the eCat is run for a long
time
From: Bob Higgins
These experiments are generally run with a small fixed charge of H2, which puts
strict limits on the available energy from H2 burning or chemical energy in
general.
Hi Bob,
Actually no. The fixed charge of H2 puts a limit only on available nuclear
energy, but not
:13 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
From: David Roberson
My reason for asking about the hydrocarbon was that it is contains a great deal
of hydrogen that must be stripped away from the carbon when burned. Once free,
I would
Well, yes, it is semantics. What you are describing is not chemical energy
at all. Chemical energy specifically deals with the shared electron
binding energy in formation of compounds with other atoms. What you are
describing is the possible ability of monatomic H, D, or T to access and
tap the
Or maybe we should give credit where it is due and call it Positronic
Energy, a la Asimov.
sea very often, even
though he was instrumental in developing quantum mechanics?
Bob
Bob
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
Or maybe we
The only problem is that Asimov was not looking at positrons (or the Dirac sea)
as an energy source - AFAIK.
In fact it was a MacGuffin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positronic_brain
Does anyone remember who first proposed this for LENR?
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From: Bob Cook
I agree.
Does anyone remember who first proposed this for LENR?
Hmmm... could it be Julian Schwinger ???
Not a bad pedigree.
Does anyone remember who first proposed this for LENR?
Hmmm... could it be Julian Schwinger ???
Not a bad pedigree for the field.
Sorry to pun-ish you, but wouldn't this make Jules the original free swinger ?
“If you can’t join them, beat them.”
- Julian Schwinger, Nobel prize winner in
It may have been Martin Deutsch--Nobel Prize 1956--He worked on the
Manhattan Project and was at MIT.
Bob
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:25 AM
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He discovered Ps but I doubt if he was supportive of LENR. He was considered
for the Nobel but lost out, if this obit is correct
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2002/deutsch
Deutsch was negative on LENR IIRC and went out of his way to criticize PF.
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
It
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The only problem is that Asimov was not looking at positrons (or the Dirac
sea) as an energy source - AFAIK.
True; but, his robot series was this engineer's first encounter with positrons.
conciously...
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The only problem is that Asimov was not looking at positrons (or the
Dirac sea) as an energy source - AFAIK.
True; but, his robot
, April 15, 2014 1:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
Does anyone remember who first proposed this for LENR?
Hmmm... could it be Julian Schwinger ???
Not a bad pedigree for the field.
Sorry to pun-ish you, but wouldn't this make Jules
threshold..
Fran
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From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
This discussion about the 'real' energy of nascent hydrogen is symptomatic
chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
He discovered Ps but I doubt if he was supportive of LENR. He was considered
for the Nobel but lost out, if this obit is correct
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2002/deutsch
Deutsch was negative on LENR IIRC and went out of his way to criticize PF.
-Original
To continue with the argument that chemical energy from hydrogen can be
thermodynamically overunity without violating Conservation of Energy
principles, and without any nuclear reaction - due to the ubiquity of
interfacial positronium (the Dirac epo field at the interface of 3-space)
there is an
The only way a quantum theory of gravity is going to fly is by using extra
dimensions decaying to gravitons.
The atmosphere around pulsed microwave radar towers is donating protons and
dissolving limestone, I have 50 years of data in Florida pointing to it
around multiple towers. Our weather
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
To continue with the argument that chemical energy from hydrogen can be
thermodynamically overunity without violating Conservation of Energy
principles, and without any nuclear reaction
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
The textbook energy from burning hydrogen in oxygen is 2.85 eV per
molecule of H2O
Is that energy based on the differential mass of (H2 molecule + O2
molecule) and 2H2O molecules?
Well yes, it can be stated that way - although it is a chemical
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 2:52 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
To continue with the argument that chemical energy from hydrogen can be
thermodynamically overunity without
From: David Roberson
If you take another reaction, such as burning of a liquid hydrocarbon, does
your technique still demonstrate an unbalance?
No- bare protons must be present for positronium to get involved. We are
talking about the need to reach an interface with another spatial
A question: what would be the net effect of all these extra electrons being
pulled over from the Dirac Sea? Would this not eventually produce some kind of
unholy electrostatic issue. Or worse?
Steve High
On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: David Roberson
From: Steve High
A question: what would be the net effect of all these extra
electrons being pulled over from the Dirac Sea? Would this not
eventually produce some kind of unholy electrostatic issue. Or
worse?
Good question, Steve. The
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 6:40 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The real chemical energy of nascent hydrogen
From:David Roberson
If you take another reaction, such as burning of a liquid hydrocarbon, doesyour
technique still demonstrate an unbalance?
No- bareprotons must
From: David Roberson
My reason for asking about the hydrocarbon was that it is contains a great deal
of hydrogen that must be stripped away from the carbon when burned. Once free,
I would expect it to behave much like a broken apart hydrogen molecule. Do you
understand why free hydrogen
Jones
That idea may explain heat release, however, such a reaction would not
account for the transmutations being seen in Japan and other evidence of new
nuclear species. I doubt such a reaction with small amounts of Ps can
explain the large energy releases associated with explosive
Jones--
Thanks for those good fast responses.
Bob
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 10:49 AM
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