RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Hello Bob, I agree with you that Rossi does NOT use nano sized Ni particles. He has always said that he use micro sized Ni particles. But can you point explicitly a sentence from Rossi saying he use the carbonyl process or is it an assumption? I never haerd such claim by Rossi. It is clear that the Ni particles has a treatment to enhance the loading of H inside the lattice (with Cu or/and La?). There are also nano sized builds that create the SPP that trigger the reaction. The nano sized builds need to survive high temperature. Arnaud _ From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: jeudi 24 juillet 2014 00:33 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ Bob, This is a common misconception. Rossi does NOT use nano-Ni. Rossi uses Ni particles (from the carbonyl process) that have a high external area and particle diameter of 4-8 microns. Rossi adds a catalyst, that is believed to be a nanopowder, to the carbonyl Ni particles and then grows features on the Ni. Bob Higgins On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold information also, however. I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his failures. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Roarty, Francis X mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the complete cell- F P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity of the active sites- it is a captivating story
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Arnaud, I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process, I am referring to high external surface area Ni micro-particles produced through precipitation of pure Ni particles from nickel tetracarbonyl liquid. This is a common form of pure, high active external surface Ni powder used in battery applications for example. It is supplied by the nickel manufacturer as pure Ni powder having very distinctive flower-bud-like particles with a diameter in the 4-10 micron range. Nickel tetracarbonyl liquid is dangerously poison and NEVER used by the end user. The (poor) photograph in Rossi's patent and his specific statement that Raney Ni will not work led me to the conclusion that he is using carbonyl Ni powder. Also, Defkalion, his early partner, went straightaway to this carbonyl Ni powder as their starting point. I believe Rossi uses Fe2O3 nanopowder as his catalyst, and thermochemically processes the powder into the Ni particles. He creates the tubercles he describes using the thermochemical processing. According to Rossi, just adding the nanoparticles will not result in significant LENR. Addition of the nanoparticles and thermochemical processing together would support the formation of NAE as cracks as Ed Storms describes, and maybe even the magnetic traps as described by Yeong Kim. I wrote a paper about this processing. If you are interested, private email me and I will send you a copy. It was posted to Vortex before. Bob Higgins On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote: Hello Bob, I agree with you that Rossi does NOT use nano sized Ni particles. He has always said that he use micro sized Ni particles. But can you point explicitly a sentence from Rossi saying he use the carbonyl process or is it an assumption? I never haerd such claim by Rossi. It is clear that the Ni particles has a treatment to enhance the loading of H inside the lattice (with Cu or/and La?). There are also nano sized builds that create the SPP that trigger the reaction. The nano sized builds need to survive high temperature. Arnaud
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Bob-- You said, “I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process,…” I assume you mean Rossi DOES use the carbonyl process to make his nickel particles. If you send a copy of your paper to Arnaud send me one also please frobertc...@hotmail.com Bob Cook Sent from Windows Mail From: Bob Higgins Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:19 AMhTo: vortex-l@eskimo.com Arnaud, I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process, I am referring to high external surface area Ni micro-particles produced through precipitation of pure Ni particles from nickel tetracarbonyl liquid. This is a common form of pure, high active external surface Ni powder used in battery applications for example. It is supplied by the nickel manufacturer as pure Ni powder having very distinctive flower-bud-like particles with a diameter in the 4-10 micron range. Nickel tetracarbonyl liquid is dangerously poison and NEVER used by the end user. The (poor) photograph in Rossi's patent and his specific statement that Raney Ni will not work led me to the conclusion that he is using carbonyl Ni powder. Also, Defkalion, his early partner, went straightaway to this carbonyl Ni powder as their starting point. I believe Rossi uses Fe2O3 nanopowder as his catalyst, and thermochemically processes the powder into the Ni particles. He creates the tubercles he describes using the thermochemical processing. According to Rossi, just adding the nanoparticles will not result in significant LENR. Addition of the nanoparticles and thermochemical processing together would support the formation of NAE as cracks as Ed Storms describes, and maybe even the magnetic traps as described by Yeong Kim. I wrote a paper about this processing. If you are interested, private email me and I will send you a copy. It was posted to Vortex before. Bob Higgins On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote: Hello Bob, I agree with you that Rossi does NOT use nano sized Ni particles. He has always said that he use micro sized Ni particles. But can you point explicitly a sentence from Rossi saying he use the carbonyl process or is it an assumption? I never haerd such claim by Rossi. It is clear that the Ni particles has a treatment to enhance the loading of H inside the lattice (with Cu or/and La?). There are also nano sized builds that create the SPP that trigger the reaction. The nano sized builds need to survive high temperature. Arnaud
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
What I meant is that Rossi doesn't make is own starting (un-catalyzed) Ni particles, he buys them. The Ni powder he buys is produced by the manufacturer from precipitation of liquid nickel tetracarbonyl. The powder produced by this process is just pure Ni having a high external surface area in a 4-10 micron flower bud form. It is commonly referred to as carbonyl nickel because it was produced from that process. That Rossi just buys this pure carbonyl Ni powder is my assertion. Bob On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Bob-- You said, “I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process,…” I assume you mean Rossi DOES use the carbonyl process to make his nickel particles. If you send a copy of your paper to Arnaud send me one also please frobertc...@hotmail.com Bob Cook
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Yes, Rossi buys it from a specialist. Here is the web site of Rossi’s supplier , if anyone are interested. http://www.gerlimetalli.it/inglese/ihome.htm AFAIK – they will not sell you the “special Rossi blend” unless they have changed their policy, now that he has sold the rights… From: Bob Higgins What I meant is that Rossi doesn't make is own starting (un-catalyzed) Ni particles, he buys them. The Ni powder he buys is produced by the manufacturer from precipitation of liquid nickel tetracarbonyl. The powder produced by this process is just pure Ni having a high external surface area in a 4-10 micron flower bud form. It is commonly referred to as carbonyl nickel because it was produced from that process. That Rossi just buys this pure carbonyl Ni powder is my assertion. Bob Cook wrote: You said, “I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process,…” I assume you mean Rossi DOES use the carbonyl process to make his nickel particles.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
The manufacture of these particles is a trade secret that is at the heart of the NiH reactor technology. This nickel particle is a compound particle which includes nanowires that host the SPP reaction. The NiH reactor technology has advanced power concentration over what can be produced by the spherical gold particles in nanoplasmonic experiments; the compound nickel particle is one improvement that increases EMF power amplification over what nanoplasmonics can provide. The use if hydrogen instead of air is another power amplification improvement that has been added in the NiH technology. The size of the nickel particles are also another improvement over nanoplasmonic technology. 5 microns is the resonant black body particle size that corresponds to maximum dipole vibrations at 400C. Dipole thermal vibrations are the EMF energy source that will be amplified by the other aforementioned power amplification mechanisms to produce a soliton carrying 6*10^^23 electrons converted into SPPs though infrared photon entanglement. This entrainment allows massive packing of huge numbers of spin carrying particles into the soliton. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Bob-- You said, “I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process,…” I assume you mean Rossi DOES use the carbonyl process to make his nickel particles. If you send a copy of your paper to Arnaud send me one also please frobertc...@hotmail.com Bob Cook Sent from Windows Mail *From:* Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:19 AMh*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com Arnaud, I don't believe Rossi uses the carbonyl process, I am referring to high external surface area Ni micro-particles produced through precipitation of pure Ni particles from nickel tetracarbonyl liquid. This is a common form of pure, high active external surface Ni powder used in battery applications for example. It is supplied by the nickel manufacturer as pure Ni powder having very distinctive flower-bud-like particles with a diameter in the 4-10 micron range. Nickel tetracarbonyl liquid is dangerously poison and NEVER used by the end user. The (poor) photograph in Rossi's patent and his specific statement that Raney Ni will not work led me to the conclusion that he is using carbonyl Ni powder. Also, Defkalion, his early partner, went straightaway to this carbonyl Ni powder as their starting point. I believe Rossi uses Fe2O3 nanopowder as his catalyst, and thermochemically processes the powder into the Ni particles. He creates the tubercles he describes using the thermochemical processing. According to Rossi, just adding the nanoparticles will not result in significant LENR. Addition of the nanoparticles and thermochemical processing together would support the formation of NAE as cracks as Ed Storms describes, and maybe even the magnetic traps as described by Yeong Kim. I wrote a paper about this processing. If you are interested, private email me and I will send you a copy. It was posted to Vortex before. Bob Higgins On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote: Hello Bob, I agree with you that Rossi does NOT use nano sized Ni particles. He has always said that he use micro sized Ni particles. But can you point explicitly a sentence from Rossi saying he use the carbonyl process or is it an assumption? I never haerd such claim by Rossi. It is clear that the Ni particles has a treatment to enhance the loading of H inside the lattice (with Cu or/and La?). There are also nano sized builds that create the SPP that trigger the reaction. The nano sized builds need to survive high temperature. Arnaud
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.commailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the complete cell- F P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity of the active sites- it is a captivating story Whatever they are and however they work I also think as AXIL that nanoplasmonics and BEC play a decisive role. We have to study the complete scenario. peter . On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.commailto:jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, thank you for the kind words. Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you propose nano structures also for your NAE? If you are, you also have to explain how that surface structure (whatever it is) will survive the temps or be dynamically recreated in quantities sufficient to sustain KW levels of heat. Seems like a lot of NAE being created at these heat levels. Jojo - Original Message - From: Peter Gluckmailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com To: VORTEXmailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ Very inspiring and well motivated what you say here, Jojo. It leads, in my opinion to a crucial problem, question: What is the essential difference between the classic LENR with Watts of heat release and the new LENR+ a la Rossi and DGT with enhanced heat release at the kWatts level? My answer was, from the start that it is the mechanism of genesis of active sites (NAE), Classic LENR works mainly with pre-formed active sites, limited in number/density while LENR+ is based on a continous generation of new active sites- it is a dynamic equilibrium between the active sites that are destroyed by the high temperature and the new ones that appear, the trick is to have many of these doing their task - a sequence of processes and reactions. You show the destructive side of elevated temperatures, the constructive side must be added and this is the clue of the LENR+ progress. The critical Debye temperature is one at which the dynamics of the atoms at the surface of the metal, changes. I have predicted this decisive role of surface dynamics long ago see please: http://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold information also, however. I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his failures. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the complete cell- F P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity of the active sites- it is a captivating story Whatever they are and however they work I also think as AXIL that nanoplasmonics and BEC play a decisive role. We have to study the complete scenario. peter . On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, thank you for the kind words. Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you propose nano structures also for your NAE? If you are, you also have to explain how that surface structure (whatever it is) will survive the temps or be dynamically recreated in quantities sufficient to sustain KW levels of heat. Seems like a lot of NAE being created at these heat levels. Jojo - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: VORTEX Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ Very inspiring and well motivated what you say here, Jojo. It leads, in my opinion to a crucial problem, question: What is the essential difference between the classic LENR
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Bob, This is a common misconception. Rossi does NOT use nano-Ni. Rossi uses Ni particles (from the carbonyl process) that have a high external area and particle diameter of 4-8 microns. Rossi adds a catalyst, that is believed to be a nanopowder, to the carbonyl Ni particles and then grows features on the Ni. Bob Higgins On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold information also, however. I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his failures. Bob Sent from Windows Mail *From:* Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. *By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results.* On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the complete cell- F P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity of the active sites- it is a captivating story Whatever they are and however they work I also think as AXIL that nanoplasmonics and BEC play a decisive role. We have to study the complete scenario. peter . On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, thank you for the kind words. Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you propose nano structures also for your NAE? If you are, you also have to explain how that surface structure (whatever it is) will survive the temps or be dynamically recreated in quantities sufficient to sustain KW levels of heat. Seems like a lot of NAE being created at these heat levels. Jojo
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Thanks for the clarification. Bob Cook Sent from Windows Mail From: Bob Higgins Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Bob, This is a common misconception. Rossi does NOT use nano-Ni. Rossi uses Ni particles (from the carbonyl process) that have a high external area and particle diameter of 4-8 microns. Rossi adds a catalyst, that is believed to be a nanopowder, to the carbonyl Ni particles and then grows features on the Ni. Bob Higgins On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold information also, however. I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his failures. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the complete cell- F P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity of the active sites- it is a captivating story Whatever they are and however they work I also think as AXIL that nanoplasmonics and BEC play a decisive role. We have to study the complete scenario. peter . On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, thank you for the kind words. Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you propose nano structures also for your NAE? If you are, you also have to explain how that surface structure (whatever
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Bob, The smaller the material, the lower its sintering temperature - significantly lower than the melting temp of the bulk material. If you google sintering nickel, you will find out that this is true. Even at the lower operating temps of the original ecat (not the hotcat), nanosturctures of nickel would have been destroyed. There has got to be a different NAE than what Axil theorizes. I doubt nickel nanowires is the NAE. CNTs on the other hand are better NAEs. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:54 AM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold information also, however. I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his failures. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the complete cell- F P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity of the active sites- it is a captivating story Whatever they are and however they work I also think as AXIL that nanoplasmonics and BEC play a decisive role. We have to study the complete scenario. peter . On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Peter, thank you for the kind words. Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\
Jojo-- I did a little review and agree that most nano sized particles do not like to much temperature becoming unstable relative to bulk temperature integrity. Thanks for that correction of my previous comments regarding Ni nano particles. As noted by Bob Higgins, Rossi does not start with nano sized nickel. It remains a important piece of information to determine what Rossi’s starting material is with its crystalline nature and impurities. Bulk heat conductivity would be nice to know. This would allow the determination of max temperatures in the reactor assuming some even distribution of energy production in the form of heat. Bob Cook Sent from Windows Mail From: Jojo Iznart Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:45 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Bob, The smaller the material, the lower its sintering temperature - significantly lower than the melting temp of the bulk material. If you google sintering nickel, you will find out that this is true. Even at the lower operating temps of the original ecat (not the hotcat), nanosturctures of nickel would have been destroyed. There has got to be a different NAE than what Axil theorizes. I doubt nickel nanowires is the NAE. CNTs on the other hand are better NAEs. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:54 AM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold information also, however. I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his failures. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\ One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between nano-particles. The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will denominate. By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his collection of experimental results. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest answer to these question is YES. A bit longer one; - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have to see what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in diversity or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very surace of cracks can be ACTIVE - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve to learn
