Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Cos I've never understood how bugzilla works, and there's something weird about how you have to register over there and it is different

[WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
The good news is that after dipping below the 1720 peak, admin numbers are on the rise again and we currently have what I believe is a new record of 1724 admins. However if one were to exclude adminbots then I think we are still below peak levels, and even if we are now appointing admins faster

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread AGK
On 27 May 2010 23:38, Matt Jacobs sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that it's because the bureaucracy has become too intimidating. I suspect many editors do not want to commit the time and effort to learning it all. All guesswork is a fruitless exercise, in the absence of any data on

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Alan Liefting
Tightening up on new page creation would free up a lot of time for admins as well as other editors. A lot of rubbish articles get created that need to be speedied. Alan Liefting WereSpielChequers wrote: The good news is that after dipping below the 1720 peak, admin numbers are on the rise

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread AGK
On 28 May 2010 16:48, Alan Liefting alieft...@ihug.co.nz wrote: A lot of rubbish articles get created that need to be speedied. That's very true. And the CAT:CSD workload is more prone to backlog than it was a couple of years ago, perhaps because RfA is not as sympathetic to the 'recentchanges

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Alan Liefting alieft...@ihug.co.nz wrote: Tightening up on new page creation would free up a lot of time for admins as well as other editors.  A lot of rubbish articles get created that need to be speedied. Alan Liefting {{fact}}. Jimbo himself admits that

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Alan Liefting
AGK wrote: On 28 May 2010 16:48, Alan Liefting alieft...@ihug.co.nz wrote: A lot of rubbish articles get created that need to be speedied. That's very true. And the CAT:CSD workload is more prone to backlog than it was a couple of years ago, perhaps because RfA is not as

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread AGK
On 28 May 2010 17:18, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Jimbo himself admits that banning all anons from page creation didn't do much of anything to help. He's not talking about banning unregistered/unconfirmed users from creating pages. I think he is talking about tightening up on article

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Alan Liefting
Gwern Branwen wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Alan Liefting alieft...@ihug.co.nz wrote: Tightening up on new page creation would free up a lot of time for admins as well as other editors. A lot of rubbish articles get created that need to be speedied. Alan Liefting

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread William Pietri
On 05/28/2010 08:31 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: We may still have enough admins to do the urgent admin tasks for quite some time to come; But I can see us becoming more dependant on the occasional admin who can clear a 100 article backlog at CSD in an hour or two, and I fear a growing

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread MuZemike
I'll add that it doesn't take much to simply create an account and create an article that says I luv Jane Doe she iz so awsumtastic!! While banning anonymous creation in the mainspace had its good intentions, it's probably not as useful now as it was intended. For instance, just today I speedy

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
snip I'll add that it doesn't take much to simply create an account and create an article that says I luv Jane Doe she iz so awsumtastic!! While banning anonymous creation in the mainspace had its good intentions, it's probably not as useful now as it was intended. /snip And I'd like to add to

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Del Buono, Matthew Paul
I agree actually. It would also open the opportunity for rangeblocks on editors that dodge autoblocks more easily. However I don't think you will ever achieve consensus for this. There are people in the community today that advocate blocking ip editing entirely, not just article creation.

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Emily Monroe
I say this as a new page patroller myself: For love of all that's sweet and holy, somebody higher up please tighten up the technical standards for non-userfyed article creation. Most of my PRODs and CSDs nominations are from people who simply don't know what they are doing. In the meantime,

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Emily Monroe
I'll add that it doesn't take much to simply create an account and create an article that says I luv Jane Doe she iz so awsumtastic!! While banning anonymous creation in the mainspace had its good intentions, it's probably not as useful now as it was intended. For instance, just today

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread David Goodman
Emily, your approach to patrolling has it backwards. The priority is not removing articles; the priority is adding contributors. Without new contributors the inevitable attrition of existing active people will cause the quality to decline and the potential for covering new or neglected topics

[WikiEN-l] Renaming Flagged Protections to Pending Changes

2010-05-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, After much debate, we've settled on a name for the English Wikipedia implementation of FlaggedRevs: Pending Changes. This is a slight variation on one of the finalists (Pending Revisions) which has the benefit of using the less jargony term changes instead of revisions. The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Renaming Flagged Protections to Pending Changes

2010-05-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 May 2010 23:25, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, After much debate, we've settled on a name for the English Wikipedia implementation of FlaggedRevs:  Pending Changes. I find this decision very odd. Revision Review had much more support (and very well-reasoned

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Andrew Gray
On 28 May 2010 17:29, AGK wiki...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, he certainly has a point. Having to wade through the nonsense that gets submitted to Wikipedia is a huge time leech. Suggesting otherwise is silly. Mmm. I think it's unavoidable, though - perhaps the question should be how can we

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread Emily Monroe
First off, let me say that you have influenced my editing a bit. Just read my whole email. Let me respond to your statements one at time, in no particular order. For patrolling, nothing is easier than to remove impossible articles. One step harder, not all that much harder, but only a