something to anon-655345 is a bit silly, but equally I
don't think we can practically insist that a vanishing user is
required to relinquish their copyrights before we let them vanish.
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As it happens, they're currently hiring for a research assistant at
the moment, so if anyone's interested in being a Quantitative
Internet Geographer/Sociologist...
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should) only occur when we are completely splitting it into gender
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Delightfully, it turns out that someone had done exactly this months
ago, and is now running a contest to pick the best:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/19/vote-most-exciting-research-about-wikipedia/
Thanks for the other suggestions,
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research about/with WP
and other WM projects, and I'm curious to know what people think would
be most interesting as examples. I've a few, but the things I find
interesting are often unusual :-)
Suggestions appreciated!
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or very few headings.
* It's not clear what would happen to our usual mass of footer
navboxes, most of which assume full-width screens. Perhaps they could
be migrated to the side columns?
Major quibbles
* Languages have got lost entirely! (again...)
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help make non-enwiki readers of wikimedia-l a bit less
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One last interesting point: the 2010 drop was mostly a non-en.wp
event; the drop on en.wp was proportionally much less. I have no idea
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in the
simplest cases (pure coverage numbers) it's an interesting tool for
understanding our coverage and how that reflects systemic biases.
I'm interested to hear that you categorised for a large set - did it
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- anyone remember?
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needed to handle that...
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Did you test first links, incidentally? My anecdotal experience has
been that someone adding a spammy link is more likely to add it to the
top of the list than someone adding a non-spammy one would be...
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make a wild stab at saying that it is
unlikely more than half our BLPs - about a quarter of a million
entries - are stubs. I'm not sure I'd go as low as 100,000, but it's
interesting how divergent the estimates from different sources are...
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of the facts, for one reason or another. So it does require a certain
level of caution and common sense...
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All are hidden, so they shouldn't display on the article pages.
There's a full set of tracking categories here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_maintenance_categories_sorted_by_month
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to the list for next time we have some
mass short-notice discussion like this - though, hopefully, that won't
be for another ten years!
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yes, and it loads-and-saves the change in the same way that a HotCat
category change works.
Thoughts? This would be one way to get our readers to do the triage
and cleanup for us...
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mostly at the cheapest end of the spectrum (averaging ~$6).
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If you can read all three without a login or without being on a
network belonging to a member, it's worked :-)
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articles currently named Outline of ... would be renamed List of
... topics. If there is already a list of that name, the two would be
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it's hard to stamp out a deliberately and tendentiously over-literal
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map tag rather than an image source, which I hadn't seen before.
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have to work with the community ; tread carefully when doing anything
that might be non-neutral ; and if you do it badly it'll blow up in
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encourage
the creation of one - presuming this site isn't quite what we're after
- how would it work? This might be a good opportunity to encourage an
independent but useful right of reply project...
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editorial corrections database, for
various reasons, not least that it would probably produce more drama
than it prevents!
It works well initially, but it breaks down if it gets disputed.
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this all in a way that
works for *us*. Are there existing services out there which *do*
undertake to verify the identity of their users which we could work
off, or are we going to have to create one - at suitable arms length
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and that the number of people
notable before the late nineteenth century was trivial, there'd still
be, at the very least, a million notable past biographies still
waiting to be written...
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work, I admit, but I'd be intrigued to...
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in a single template?
Are we not risking throwing the baby out with the bathwater, here?
whatlinkshere is a useful tool, but so are large templates - limiting
the latter to benefit the former seems a bit of a zero-sum game.
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Template:PBB_Gallery/$number. Would that be sufficient?
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from specific other Wikipedians, the
beginning of a provocative argument that someone simply must fill in,
etc. The purpose of this rule is to encourage others to keep working
on the wiki.
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...we'd only done the last one of those.
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Perhaps we've bypassed the feeder-wiki stage by absorbing them before
they even formed - and once it's there, why split?
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Wikipedia Terms of Use for details.
I'm intrigued by the ambivalent may be available under...
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our logo in the top, splash their name everywhere, and see if they
squeal... ;-)
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One prose sentence! But on the other hand, a demographic table, and a
map, and an infobox, and some statistics, and a navbox. Stub or not
stub?
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redirects (ones not noted in the article text), but some (especially
latinised names) are essential to have clearly available to the
reader. Maybe an infobox section would be appropriate here?
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that in pages?
Not counting footnotes and so on, it's approximately 16,000 words; say
40-50 pages of a book, or about a normal chapter. Which seems right,
for a very large article.
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, but using it in a misleading fashion is
explicitly illegal. The first example I can think of is the NASA logo,
which we mark accordingly:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NASA_logo.svg
- note the third template.
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the proportion of bot
edits:
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scrolling, which you get a lot when moving through long
pages, of which we obviously have plenty. But I'd be interested if
anyone has any other explanations for the phenomenon, and if we ought
to feed this back to someone in the usability groups.
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bug - I encounter this myself occasionally on enwiki,
but rarely anywhere else, and once a month or so see an email about
it. That one certainly feels more than just random, though I don't
know if we ever identified the source of it.)
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Party]]; it would not be legitimate to have
an article on [[Economics (Somethingian)]] as a counter to [[Economics
(Otherian)]].
Where you draw the line, though, is quite tricky...
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*not* as seperate forms of the main article. The trick is in getting
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almost forkish by nature - [[A's views on Topic X]], [[B's views on
Topic X]], etc. It's a bit hazier here - but as long as we keep the
emphasis on writing about the views, rather than presenting them as
statements of sourced fact, we're probably on the right side of the
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if it has, the community can
change
its mind at any time. ;-)
Someone proposed the daily FAs, which I think are an excellent idea
from an exposure perspective, but I don't know whether that got the
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by it - then why not schedule
in some articles that we expect it not to work very well on? It could
be it has unexpectedly less terrible effects.
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BLPs are quoted a few times as examples, and they're certainly
expected to be a large portion of the workload of this, but none of
the recent plans have explicitly aimed for such a restriction.
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, clearly pointing to the page describing the implemented
version.
This is probably worth using the sitenotice for logged-in users, or at
least the watchlist notice, as well.
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The second problem is that I think we've dropped the BLP issue - many
protected pages are BLPs, but they're not the special targets for
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example - use it on talk pages or redirects?
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of
which pages (and how many) are protected, so we don't have to discover
the limit by accident?
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only a very small fraction of protections. I
can't immediately think of any others - now we can selectively delete
revisions easily, the cases where a page is locked to deal with a
particularly focused abuser should lend themselves quite well to this.
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-current-event) articles?
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is probably going to be
approximately the same regardless of what the hurdles are... unless we
come back full circle to raising the barriers so high that we
significantly reduce the number of *all* articles submitted, and
that's undesirable for a whole host of reasons.
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gut reaction was that revision is noticeably more
jargony than edit.
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and awaiting approval.
On the other hand, neither revision queue, queued revisions or the
same for edit really sound right.
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to a degree automatic,
rather than a variable delay as a result of the need for manual
approval. (A five-minute delay is quite an interesting thought,
actually - file that for future testing...)
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different ways, so it may not help much... ;-)
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half, but quite problematic in the latter.
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informational.
Like the disjoint between this page is protected and, well, protecting it.
I believe we have a bot to notify for cases of the latter - perhaps
extending it to things like the image blacklist would be a good idea?
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and January 2009:
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I suspect this points up a problem with maintenance more than initial
quality, but we shall see.
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the doubled term meow meow. (...) An earlier story in the Irish
edition of the Daily Mirror, on 15 September, had already given meow
as the street name,[4] some time before it was added to the Wikipedia
entry on 2 November.
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Any other ideas?
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On 11 February 2010 17:17, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
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b) Use reversions. Sample a thousand uses of rollback from the recent
changes list, find time between that edit and the one it was
reverting
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figures!
Still, that's beyond the scope of this discussion...
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to be untraceable. In the UK alone, that comes to some
fifteen billion pounds - probably more -
http://www.uar.co.uk/benefit.htm
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/unclaimedassets_uacc.pdf
If that much is sitting around as realisable cash, what hope a few
intangible copyrights?
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kill the instant-editing culture, somehow.
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On the topic of the negative reaction to The Box, Mintz blamed the
film's ending and was quoted as saying People really thought this was
a stinker. ...
Might this explain the effect? No idea how to *solve* it, though...
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annotate search results:
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...and I suspect it may remain about as obscure.
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be happening anyway, and presumably the system will be quietly turned
off once PR is well-understood.
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they've been patrolled, and it just gives us an internal monitoring
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2009/9/27 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
2009/9/27 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
There may be an issue with only having some pages under the review
system - we will need to split effort between RC-patrol and
ORP-patrol. Hopefully that will happen organically, but we will need
have yet to be written?
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is in Australia or
not).
The perishthrashglam bands are both a) generally uninteresting, and b)
ill-defined; we won't have articles on most bands defined as part of
that genre, and we won't ever be able to say the genre consists
solely of these seventy-nine bands and no-one else.
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to structure
the image-description pages so as to encourage and help reusers to do
this.
I wonder if we can persuade the usability people to look at image
description pages next...
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to
check for the existence of a talkpage, and flag up a reminder to
restore it.
(Do we already have one? I don't do very much page-restoring these days...)
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2009/9/10 Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com:
Andrew Gray wrote:
When you delete an article, there's a helpful function to remind you
to delete the talkpage too. I suspect that getting people to remember
to reinstate talkpages would be a lot easier if we had a coded hook
overrides the blacklist, for use in
specific cases -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist
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detail about the algorithm.
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for and Gadget makes it sound like an additional preferences thing,
which seems plausible - those tend to get installed pretty quietly.
I've copied this mail to Luca de Alfaro, who's posted here before, and
hopefully he can shed some light on what's actually going on! :-)
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to find a matching ref. It's pretty neat.
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Ah. God bless the Daily Mail and its just make stuff up policy.
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