Fred Bauder wrote:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
Something I'd like to know before considering this as a potential
compromise is whether the Foundation would simply censor WikiNews in
exactly the same way.
Any responsible journalist will.
That
Fred Bauder wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
Interesting, as there is a consensus. It just isn't written down. Do no
harm; any problem with that?
At the very least consensus can't be said to
George Herbert wrote:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Bryan Derksen bryan.derk...@shaw.ca wrote:
At the very least consensus can't be said to be obvious on this, IMO.
The we should conceal information that could potentially harm people
argument didn't hold much weight in the
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
wrote:
It may not actually be as clear cut as you assume.
Psychological tests may for instance be crucial in
deciding issues in criminal cases, and as such may
have a very remote chance of affecting life and
death
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
I'm amused by the idea that you can link to community consensus. We need
a picture of thousands of Wikipedians sitting at their computer with
either smiles or
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the necessary
equipment in order to enrich the uranium in the first place. Not a
cheap thing
2009/9/10 Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the necessary
equipment in
geni wrote:
2009/9/10 Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the
Fred Bauder wrote:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
Something I'd like to know before considering this as a potential
compromise is whether the Foundation would simply censor WikiNews in
exactly the same way.
Any responsible journalist will.
That
And even if do no harm really _was_ a universal principle that we all
followed, it's still open to debate whether reporting information like
this actually does cause harm.
Such matters are a question of judgment. Information about potential harm
needs to be accurate and common sense applied.
2009/9/10 Bryan Derksen bryan.derk...@shaw.ca:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
Something I'd like to know before considering this as a potential
compromise is whether the Foundation would simply censor WikiNews in
exactly the same way.
Did the
Surreptitiousness wrote:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
I'm amused by the idea that you can link to community consensus. We need
a picture of thousands of Wikipedians sitting at their
That's a very nice interpretation, and in retrospect, I think that's
what Will meant.
Emily
On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com
wrote:
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:32 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Emily wrote:
How does
Fred Bauder wrote:
I seem to have missed the detailed plans and blueprints on how to make
an A-Bomb. Care to link me? Or do you really think that the press won't
sensationalise the minute it is realised someone learnt something bad
from Wikipedia? I'd rather send Mr Gerard out there if it
I picture you as a sort of Rachel Welch, with thigh-high boots and a
whip in a minidress
Huh boy. I'm flattered.
Firstly, your email icon is a kitten is it not?
Actually, it's a bully breed (ie bull dog) type dog tilting it's head.
Emily
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, wjhon...@aol.com
Bryan Derksen wrote:
Surreptitiousness wrote:
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
I'm amused by the idea that you can link to community consensus. We need
a picture of
Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Well, you see, with respect to news of the Taliban's doings, they
probably are much more reliable then other media.
I was about to say... you earlier commented about Iranian news
source and its reliability. You framed it as a question, is [source]
Previous post correction diff:
-commented about Iranian news
+commented about an Iranian news
-about all of familiar sources
+about all of our familiar sources
-tabloids and the slowly
+tabloids and then slowly
-Stevertigo
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2009/9/10 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
To tie this to the topic. We should not publish up-to-date and accurate
information on how to create great harm whether it is about A-bombs or
reporters held captive by the Taliban, and we don't, our A-bomb plans
will produce a bomb that will
Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
To tie this to the topic. We should not publish up-to-date and accurate
information on how to create great harm whether it is about A-bombs or
reporters held captive by the Taliban, and we don't, our A-bomb plans
will produce a bomb that will barely
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/10 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
To tie this to the topic. We should not publish up-to-date and accurate
information on how to create great harm whether it is about A-bombs or
reporters held captive by the Taliban, and
Fred Bauder wrote:
I seem to have missed the detailed plans and blueprints on how to make
an A-Bomb. Care to link me? Or do you really think that the press
won't
sensationalise the minute it is realised someone learnt something bad
from Wikipedia? I'd rather send Mr Gerard out there if it
2009/9/9 Keith Old keith...@gmail.com:
Given the lack of reliable sources, the removal of information on the
kidnapping seems justified. His article is here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Farrell_(journalist)
That would rather depend on what was at the
The protection referenced an OTRS ticket
(https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoomTicketID=2009090610014951)
in the edit summary. I'd be interested to know more information on
that ticket, specifically if it was a request for protection from a
news organization.
I suppose
Would you have us do different?
Fred
Folks,
From the Huffington Post:
Last November, David Rohde was kidnapped in Afghanistan and held for
several months, before managing to escape with his interpreter. Media
around
the world, at the request of the *Times*, kept silent about the
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Would you have us do different?
I would prefer something more honest, rather than defaming innocent
editors trying to add true and verifiable information to articles. I
would suggest just protecting the article straight away with a link to
the OTRS
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Would you have us do different?
I would prefer something more honest, rather than defaming innocent
editors trying to add true and verifiable information to articles. I
would suggest just protecting the article straight away with a link to
the
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Would you have us do different?
I would prefer something more honest, rather than defaming innocent
editors trying to add true and verifiable information to articles. I
would
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Would you have us do different?
I would prefer something more honest, rather than defaming innocent
editors trying to add true and verifiable information to articles. I
would suggest just protecting the
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Would you have us do different?
I would prefer something more honest, rather than defaming innocent
editors trying to add true and verifiable information to articles. I
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Actually, no, that is a throw-away. But we do need to get a little
smarter. We might have something come up that is a bit more serious.
More serious than life and death?
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2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Actually, no, that is a throw-away. But we do need to get a little
smarter. We might have something come up that is a bit more serious.
I think there's actually not much we need to do. The most recent case
was entirely covered by BLP: be extremely
David Gerard wrote:
I think there's actually not much we need to do. The most recent case
was entirely covered by BLP: be extremely conservative about
potentially extremely harmful information.
We're an encyclopedia, not investigative journalism - we have wikinews
for that. If we wait a few
Keith Old wrote:
Folks,
From the Huffington Post:
Last November, David Rohde was kidnapped in Afghanistan and held for
several months, before managing to escape with his interpreter. Media around
the world, at the request of the *Times*, kept silent about the kidnapping,
and later drew
2009/9/9 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Actually, no, that is a throw-away. But we do need to get a little
smarter. We might have something come up that is a bit more serious.
I think there's actually not much we need to do. The most recent case
2009/9/9 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com:
I do agree that it is a bit more than a bit silly to expect
wikipedia to not only surprise occasionally with scooping
other more established news organizations, but in fact
be there before all the other major news orgs with the
full nitty
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
BTW does Wikinews have any traction yet?
I mean does it hit the first googly page ?
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Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009
I really don't see this as IAR.
It seems the argument is that it's firmly BLP policy. That for some
reason (inexplicable apparently), keeping the name of a kipnap victim
secret, helps them to not be killed. Personally the argument seems
flat to me. But at any rate, if we were to have a
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
I really don't see this as IAR.
It seems the argument is that it's firmly BLP policy. That for some
reason (inexplicable apparently), keeping the name of a kipnap victim
secret, helps them to not be killed. Personally the argument seems
flat to me. But at any
2009/9/9 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
I really don't see this as IAR.
It seems the argument is that it's firmly BLP policy. That for some
reason (inexplicable apparently), keeping the name of a kipnap victim
secret, helps them to not be killed.
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
Will Johnson
Interesting, as there is a consensus. It just isn't written down. Do no
harm; any problem with that?
Fred
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2009/9/9 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
BLP talks about removing unverifiable harmful information about living
people, it doesn't say verifiable harmful information should be
removed (unless it is given undue weight).
That's the point - it's entirely in order to be very conservative in
Do no harm isn't a consensus however.
That language is so incredibly vague it could be taken to mean almost
anything.
Fred we've been over this many times on this list :)
You really want to do it again?
We have articles on murder victims which appear on the top of Google,
keeping that fresh in
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
Will Johnson
Interesting, as there is a consensus. It just isn't written down. Do no
harm; any problem with that?
There is no such
Well what were the sources?
Someone mentioned that there were sources, but didn't mention what.
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Once it's all over
the media, it's not our problem; when it isn't, it shouldn't be in the
article.
- d.
Yes, we simply need not reach. At least not in such instances.
Fred
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2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
Well what were the sources?
Someone mentioned that there were sources, but didn't mention what.
They are all in the article history. This news article, for instance,
seems reliable:
Iranian press, sourced in a Taliban regional commander. Since when is
that a
Interesting here is what they say about themselves
Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international
news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis.
Our global Tehran-based headquarters is staffed with outstanding
Iranian and foreign media professionals.
I don't think the point is needing to reach but rather it's slapping
the hand that reaches.
Which is a little more pro-active, and less passive sounding.
Is our position to be that, with a reliable source, we need multiple
sources in these cases as Fred puts it. And I really don't know what
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
I don't think the point is needing to reach but rather it's slapping
the hand that reaches.
Which is a little more pro-active, and less passive sounding.
Is our position to be that, with a reliable source, we need multiple
sources in these cases as Fred puts it.
Interesting here is what they say about themselves
Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international
news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis.
Our global Tehran-based headquarters is staffed with outstanding
Iranian and foreign media
2009/9/9 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Well, you see, with respect to news of the Taliban's doings, they
probably are much more reliable then other media. They did talk to a
Taliban regional commander and got the story.
Iran and the Taliban don't exactly get on so unlikely they would
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the necessary
equipment in order to enrich the uranium in the first place. Not a
cheap thing to do. Everyone however
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the necessary
equipment in order to enrich the uranium in the first place. Not a
cheap
-Original Message-
From: geni geni...@gmail.com
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Another Media and Wikipedia blackout on NYT
reporter in Afghanistan
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
The entire argument about keeping
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:32 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the blueprints. It's creating the necessary
equipment in
2009/9/10 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:32 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
The method of making an H bomb is widely known.
The problem is not the
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/10 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:32 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/9 wjhon...@aol.com:
It's a bit of a mistaken idea that the issue with H bombs is their
plans.
2009/9/10 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
This is wishful thinking, Geni.
Making really small H-bombs (100 kg) is slightly tricky - but medium
sized ones (1 ton) is not.
Uk's first attempt failed and India's probably did. I think that
qualifies as tricky.
And the explosive lenses
How does this discussion relate to Wikipedia?
Emily
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:07 PM, geni wrote:
2009/9/10 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
This is wishful thinking, Geni.
Making really small H-bombs (100 kg) is slightly tricky - but medium
sized ones (1 ton) is not.
Uk's first
Emily wrote:
How does this discussion relate to Wikipedia?
Your new nickname is Kitten with a Whip
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Your new nickname is Kitten with a Whip
What? I'm confused.
Emily
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:32 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Emily wrote:
How does this discussion relate to Wikipedia?
Your new nickname is Kitten with a Whip
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wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
Something I'd like to know before considering this as a potential
compromise is whether the Foundation would simply censor WikiNews in
exactly the same way.
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Fred Bauder wrote:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
Interesting, as there is a consensus. It just isn't written down. Do no
harm; any problem with that?
At the very least consensus can't be said to be obvious on this,
Fred Bauder wrote:
We are supposed to be community-driven.
Where is the community consensus on media blackouts?
Link please.
Interesting, as there is a consensus. It just isn't written down. Do no
harm; any problem with that?
At the very least consensus can't be said to be obvious on
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Investigative Journalism should go to WikiNews.
Something I'd like to know before considering this as a potential
compromise is whether the Foundation would simply censor WikiNews in
exactly the same way.
Any responsible journalist will.
Fred
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