I'm back from my first vacation this year ( Ill be going again soon )
and I'm glad to see the list got along just find without me, so I'll
sit down and read all 544 WSG messages (14 days worth ) But don't
expect any replies because by now they are old news.
Leo
Brian
I don't know what platform your talking about but I tried the following
code in both IE and Moz on Mac and the code works in both as you would
expect. I changed width to 90% and added a height so I could see it
better. Works fine on Mac.
.main_page
{
width:90% !important;
height:90%
Nick
You know what they say... there's anal and then there's anal ;-). I've
been programming most of my life and can never figure out these guys
that do this. They'll shrink every K they can find white and comments
too. But they usually are the same ones that make all the syntax errors
and
Jason
An even better question is : What kind of irony is it when someone who
joins an open standards group considers practicing such
anti-open-standards technique? ;-)
Leo
On Thursday, April 15, 2004, at 02:34 AM, Jason Turnbull wrote:
Nick Lo wrote:
Does everyone else on the list do this?
On Thursday, April 15, 2004, at 03:20 AM, theGrafixGuy wrote:
I HATE bloat
You know Brian, for a person who hates bloat, you sure are full of it.
;-) lol
Leo
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James
Following this tread, reading the satay article, and looking up the
XHTML 1.0 spec for the object tag, it seems to me, that I could put all
this code inside an external CSS. My questions are [1] am I right? [2]
would keeping the flash code out of the HTML using id's on the object
Chris
From what I can see your top nav is taking the width of its container.
You need to define a width for the buttons,either individually or all
the same size, and float them like you do in the sub nav. Then IE will
play and so will Opera. Safari is s forgiving and displays your
page as
screenshots below.
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=57737
Chris
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Chris
Veine
I do this all the time in Mac. It looks as though your page is working
now with it in Mac IE5.2. It's all about floating and sizing it
properly. All Mac IE bugs are usually easy to fix. For the future IMO
you should design the layout using colored boxes and dummy text until
you know its
Lighten up David... you'll give yourself sunspots ;-).
Leo
On Friday, April 9, 2004, at 06:41 PM, David wrote:
...Sorry everyone if this is offpoint just had to get that off
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Veine
Your left col div is containing your center div you should close the
the left div before you open the center div ...
e.g
div class=leftcolleftcol-content/div
div class=centercenter-content/div
and not
div class=leftcolleftcol-content
div class=centercenter-content/div
/div
Relative font sizes ruin good design.
Vector based graphics and text are the future of good screen design.
The whole point is to be relative in your units so the layout design
can look the same across different resolutions. If a user needs to
increase or decrease the text size then the layout
Maybe we as a standard based community should knock on $MS's door and
shout I'm mad as hell and I'm not going take it anymore.
Leo
On Wednesday, April 7, 2004, at 12:44 AM, Sven Jacobs wrote:
I was thinking to put such news (IE 6.1 will use Gecko) on my private
site as
an aprils fool =)
Pffft. A bunch of web standards geeks like us (no matter how large,
it's still just a tiny fraction of the entire web community) will have
no impact whatsoever on MS's plans in regards to IE.
Justin... If everyone thought that way there would never be progress.
Luckily Apple inc didn't with
Adam
The first problem I'm trying to tackle so far is that the second part
to the graph doesn't reflect the width it's supposed to.
Use a containment box so that your graph will be a percentage of the
100% width of the containment box.
The second problem is that it probably won't scale too
Randall
Remove the xml prologue [?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?] It's
not required and IE chokes on it.
Leo
On Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 03:47 AM, Randall Potter wrote:
I'm having an issue where the site that I'm working on validates as
xhtml-strict and looks fine under Gecko and KHTML
On Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 07:09 AM, Darian Cabot wrote:
(This dude has way too much time)
ditto... but a very nice piece of CSS art.
Leo
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My reply didn't show the full quote... so here it is for those who will
accuse me of taking it out of context.
Art is best left
to people that have a knack for it. But again, anyone can learn to
program.
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Nick
I stand corrected... As I am a Mac user, where things are made to
standards, I often forget that MSIE doesn't no how to render standards.
;-) ...just kidding. But we as a developer web standards community
should proactively boycott MSIE.
Leo
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:07 PM,
P
Your right... I blew that one in the details.
Leo
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:14 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote:
but that doesn't solve the original problem as far as I understood it.
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Mike
I think it would be more useful if it had a color picker along with the hex number input. Using hex number input alone doesn't work for those who don't know the hex numbers they need or would like to browser color schemes. I have been using hex values for color long before the web existed
Patrick
First PLEASE do not display my email address to the open list. Thank
you.
*cough* accessibility *cough*
Unless there is a reason I am not thinking of, I'd think people who
want accessibility would keep javascript enabled.
Also don't forget that in some instances the specific
Justin
I'm not surprised that Safari (Jag) runs in Safari (Pan) because
generally Safari is forward compatible software. What did surprise most
of us loyal Mac users was that Safari 1.2 (Pan) wouldn't run in Jaguar.
I use OS9/Jag/Pan each on their own disk drive in the same machine.
Leo
On
Justin
To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have JavaScript
enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is about
providing access to the content for the widest possible number of
users, regardless of how they're accessing it.
Hmm.. well Justin your missing my point.
Patrick
It can be done in CSS by toggling the display visibility with the
a:hover and positioning.
Leo
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 04:41 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote:
What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to
avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the
Brian
Trimming excess fat off of the code does add up over time - both in
storage
and in transfer/bandwidth
I totally agree with everything your saying. I too remove the comments
and redundant code before uploading a site. I save a commented
version, as a backup copy, so I or someone else
Brian
It works fine in IE5.2.2 Mac
Leo
Working on a navigation menu and it works great in everything BUT IE.
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Jamie
the main topic here is about - To hide OR not to hide stylesheets
I know what the topic is... While I agree with hiding stylesheet for the few older browsers still out there, because their owners refuse to use the better alternatives available, it is different for IE5 Mac users, because
David
Thank you, my thoughts exactly! That is the point of this discussion
tread. MSIE has interpreted the standards to suit their priorities and
just because they hold the larger market share (on the PC), their
getting away with it. We as developers, should not take it laying down
or avoid
What I need is some guidance in the situation I am facing now. Should I hide the stylesheet until I fix the site for Mac IE or should I just let it be? Best person to answer would be a Mac user I reckon :)
Jamie
The immediate solution for making everyone happy is checking the user agent for IE5
Sam
You to do two thing first dump the xml prologue and second encase the
a elements as an inline list. Although a setting of does auto means
no width the links are be rendered as block elements due to spacing and
crs in your html.
Leo
On Thursday, March 25, 2004, at 11:56 PM, Sam Walker
Make a class that will position and size according to line height and
then use a span element. That's one way, but I'm sure there is a more
standard way this is done. Anyone?
Leo
On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 04:22 PM, theGrafixGuy wrote:
Anyone have ideas on how to do a drop cap in
Brian
I can tell you what accounts for the low market share stats. It's
confounding variables. If you look for apples in a peach tree you'd
get low market share. Now survey major corporations and NN's market
share will rise up the bell curve. No offense to Darian, but his
website isn't
Hi Kym
I made the mistake thinking the numbers came from just Darian's site or
was i Brian's. But I see now, that you got the numbers from a much
larger sample pool. I stand corrected, My point was that sample size
and where it came from makes all the difference in the world of
statistics.
Darian
Sorry guys... I blew that one. mea cupa
Leo
On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 11:34 PM, Darian Cabot wrote:
Those weren't my website stats (_) My aim is to support all major
browsers be it ie, nn, moz, or anything. I just stated that if moz is
more
popular than nn then I'm better off
Russ
So, is there are middle ground between absolute font sizing and no
resizing
at all? I reckon the answer (and happy to be persuaded otherwise), is
relative font sizing.
And I'd take Russ' advise one step further by adding that relative
positioning and sizing for the layout also would be
I am thinking of hiding my stylesheets from Mac IE and Netscape
Jamie
Agrr... You'd be leaving most of us creative people out in the cold!
Leo
Peter
yes it doesn't show in IE5 Mac and this bowser is very touchy with heights in percents. I think you need to define the height in #mainnav and remove the height and width 100% from the descendant a> element but I'd also scrap display block and let your li>s flow inline. The links are
Hugh
ditto on between the line... Biased people who use such comments
against reasons for standards they do not understand or care about, are
myopic at best. They couldn't see a fly, if it landed on their nose.
;-)
Leo
On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 08:05 PM, Hugh Todd wrote:
Cameron
Simon
Read the reply more carefully and you'll see I was targeting a desktop
audience and speaking about desktop monitors.
Leo
On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 07:29 AM, Simon Jessey wrote:
Actually, I would argue that it isn't as simple as that. Lately, I have
noticed in my access logs that
Although I truly respect trust Russ' methods, I have to agree with
Justin on this one because IE on the mac is so notoriously uncompliant
and quirky it makes the stylesheet too hard to manage. Justin's
comment usage is a better way, although I was unaware of it and will
need to study up on
Peter
From an interface building POV it's a matter of audience function. If
your site has reference-based informational content and caters to a
large percentage of users who need this information and time is
important to them, then one-click popup menus are necessary. However,
as a artistic
On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 08:08 PM, theGrafixGuy wrote:
and even y'all are Aussie's
This list might be based in AU but it is international. Like myself (New York) there are over 50 members in the USA represented on this list.
Leo
Peter
I'd try neutralizing the default for the span tags that you're using in the html in place of list items. Set a rule for those specific spans to margin 0 because IE screws the rendering in default. And to be safe 0 the padding as well.
Leo
On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 10:24 PM,
Maureen
The site 's sidebar menus work find in Safari 1.0 However the
horizontal rollover menu at the top right of the page has a flickering
problem probably due to a CSS sizing error.
Leo
On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 09:29 PM, Maureen Beattie wrote:
a problem on the Macs/Safari? I would
You could incase it in a div and float the div then the image doesn't
need a width
Leo
On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 01:46 AM, Hugh Todd wrote:
Maureen,
I don't know what the usual procedure is, but the float property does
require a width to be specified, so I think you probably have two
Matthias... lol I lvoe it!
On Saturday, March 20, 2004, at 07:01 AM, Matthias wrote:
Besides, as IE keeps me away from the more sophisticated things,
Opera is no problem at all.
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Tonico
A website is not book. It is different, it is not something you hold
in your hands,
This very true and sometimes people with print experience still need to
grasp it (sorry guys... you know who you are). However the reverse is
also true. Programmers think in terms of modules (sections)
Russ
Wow what a great set of links... Thanks for supplying me with tonight
reading. Douglas Bowman can really cook... I hope some of his stuff
will rub off on me.
Leo
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Hugh
Russ is right. Standards based design done visually or not will save
you time and headaches. Besides, Opera 7.5 is still beta so why
should you even care about it yet. The current Opera doesn't rendered
well on the Mac and I suspect the new Opera won't be any better. IMHO
you should
Russ
I'm guilty as charged... I have posted more than one tread in a
message. The reason it happens is I enjoy this list so much I read ALL
treads and I'm sure many list members do too.
People complain about too much traffic, but when you condense it, they
complain about not having enough
John
Dump the table and add margin: auto; to your ID container in the stylesheet or head and your page layout will center perfectly in most recent browsers on the mac. You can also use the shorthand version to keep the layout static vertical using margin: 10px auto;
On Thursday, March 18, 2004,
Susan
Usability and accessibility are integral parts of many reputable upper
level media programs, not just per se human factors. Dedicated human
factors programs branch from psychology as ergonomics or computer
science as interface building. Here at the University at Buffalo most
dedicated
On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 03:35 PM, russ weakley wrote:
While using multiple h1's are valid, you
should also think about the underlying page structure - and think
about how
other devices will interpret this structure.
Russ
Your point is well taken and needs to be implemented more.
Jeremy
how many are successfully using the WYSIWYG on a consistent basis and doing standards compliant work?
I've used DW for 5+ years and always used the design view first and then I'd have to clean up DW's verbose code by hand, but back then it was as standard as standards were.
i would say
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 11:27 PM, Peter Ottery wrote:
can dreamweaver have its preferences etc manipulated enough to be to produce markup and css exactly the way you want?
Pete
Actually dreamweaver is an html scripted application internally. You can change or extend any part of the
Michael
I agree with your budgetary concerns. To fill this void, many
universities are now merging their art departments with their media
studies departments to offer advanced programs for graphic artists and
web developers so that they can wear both hats [graphic
designer-developer
Ryan
The site works well on the Mac and all links worked. It's nicely done;
informational and functional. If I had a comment to the design, is
would be that some of the pages have a lot of white space from lack of
content. Since there are so many headings, why not propose to
consolidate
Jamie
On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 02:32 PM, Jaime Wong wrote:
It's easier to
teach my cat to fetch than to change the boss's mind-set.
The key is to make the boss feel as though he suggested it.
Leo
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Jamie
from someone in this list (sorry I forgot who but he's kind enough to
let me know) told me that site works in Safari for Mac
I sent you that message. The link to the sitemap was broken in IE Mac
but not in Safari. This probably means that IE is choking on the link's
syntax. It's
Jamie
Actually the layout seems to degrade nicely on the elements, and most
were presented just fine on the mac. MSIE doesn't play fair no matter
what computer you use. The broken link was the only one I found to the
sitemap and it was on a page one or two clicks deep. I don't remember
Peter
Excellent work I love the styling. Leslie's comment on an extra click
is worth doing and Scott's comment on navigational contrast is a
factor. I personally did think the lack of contrast on the horizontal
navbar buttons was hard to read. I viewed it in Safari 1.1 1.2 Mac
MSIE 5.2.2
Russ wrote in... Re: [WSG] Cascading background colors
The important question is - do you know why it worked the second time
around? The answer is that the second rule has more specificity...
The above is a perfect example of the purpose of this mailing list.
Russ' reply to Peter's how to
Brendan
And let the float be with you...
Leo
On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 12:19 AM, Brendan Smith wrote:
And by the way ... I'm your father.
Am I to take it then that CSS is essentially a bunch of Jedi mind
tricks?
Brendan
From: Universal Head
Frank
Try setting a height attribute so the background won't shrink for lack
of content
Leo
On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Frank wrote:
Hey all,
I've been running into a few weird problems with a layout I'm working
on.
I'm retrieving results from a database, and displaying each
Mike et. al.,
I'm very new to the WSG list. I have been feeling my way around to see
what is appropriate for this list. I'm not in AU. I'm in New York so I
won't be attending meetings anytime soon. I joined this list because I
truly believe that web design should follow strict but accessible
Seona
You could assignment the stylesheet from a cookie with php variables.
Leo
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Check your stylesheet for syntax errors ... You have misspelled the
word height in your container statements.
Leo
On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 09:37 AM, Kim Kruse wrote:
Hi,
Okay... I'm trying to build a xhtml strict / css site. (my first ever
with
layers only)
The page is located
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