Hi Kevin,
I have the FF issue as well.
Fore me: FF2.17 on a PC.
William
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
hi,
Thats strange eBiz,
The dropdowns are working over the flash in ff3 mac for me.
Anyway im getting that or a very similar problem in safari so will def
try your suggestion tomorrow.
Actually
cheers george.
i thought the !important; fixed that but apparently not.
menus height ok in ie6, just have to give it a conditional comment for
the width now.
-thanks a mill
kevin
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Sure, IE6 has no respect for declared dimensions - !important or not,
and expands
kevin mcmonagle wrote:
cheers george. i thought the !important; fixed that but apparently
not. menus height ok in ie6, just have to give it a conditional
comment for the width now.
Suggest you add this package instead of something in a CC...
#mainMenu li ul {padding: 0; }
* html #mainMenu li
Your top links aren't working in Firefox, the nav li's need a z-index to
appear above the flash.
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Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun
Sent: 25 September 2008 15:44
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] suckerfish
Thanks,
Only other services and local information have drop downs and they are
showing up in ff3 for me.
what version are you using?
Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote:
Your top links aren't working in Firefox, the nav li's need a z-index to
appear above the flash.
mcmonagle
Sent: 25 September 2008 19:35
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] suckerfish problem - ie6
Thanks,
Only other services and local information have drop downs and they are
showing up in ff3 for me.
what version are you using?
Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote:
Your top links
hmm, drop downs are not showing up in safari either.
I do have z-index defined so not sure what the problem is.
#mainMenu li ul li {
padding-right: 1em;
width: 13em;
text-align:left;
text-indent:5px;
border-bottom:solid 1px #fff;
z-index:1002;
}
and also on the li ul { z-index:1002;}
hmm
hi,
Thats strange eBiz,
The dropdowns are working over the flash in ff3 mac for me.
Anyway im getting that or a very similar problem in safari so will def
try your suggestion tomorrow.
Actually the hover states are not even working in safari though so it
might be another issue alltogether.
then you need to be aware at build time that when javascript off, and
nested navigation is therefore expanded in order to provide equal
access to features for people without dependence to javascript, the
design needs to allow for this.
having the nav overlap content is pretty unnecessary
Check my examples i posted and my recent posts, they show what i mean. I
think in the case of this design it can work fine without the dropdown menu.
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
then you need to be aware at build time that when javascript off, and
Joe said:
then you need to be aware at build time that when javascript off, and nested
navigation is therefore expanded in order to provide equal access to features
for people without dependence to javascript, the design needs to allow for
this.
Yes, the equality should be inherent. At
Cool design, maybe you could reveal the sublnks onClick? then keep the
panel open and repopulate with the relevant links as you move over the
navigation links.
If you have the time/money in the project, it would be well worth
doing user testing :-)
We maybe veering away from the purpose of this
Not really because it cuts into UI design. But i see what you mean, i have
it under control.
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool design, maybe you could reveal the sublnks onClick? then keep the
panel open and repopulate with the relevant links as you move
No i havn't herd of prog. enhancement.
See you do learn something new everyday.
Thanks.
On 6/6/08, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James,
Have you heard of progressive enhancement?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Enhancement
I would link all the 'nav' items to root
James,
Have you heard of progressive enhancement?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Enhancement
I would link all the 'nav' items to root pages that include the sub
links so if JS is unavailable a usable experience is provided for all,
then if JS is available, enhance the experience by
It sounds like a lot of work for something that you are purely guessing?
As your audience is already part of the community that you're doing the website
for, it should be easy to find out a typical setup. Many old people I know
aren't using IE5 - either they aren't using anything or they
This is not a IE5 question, it is whether the navigation element
should depend on Javascript.
Navigation should not rely on javascript to display.
Therefore if javascript is off, any descended subnav should display
in it's expanded state.
Plenty of examples of this all over the net o no
Joe said:
Therefore if javascript is off, any descended subnav should display in it's
expanded state.
I agree with this pattern for some scenerios, for example with tabbed
panels, but (depending on the design) surely with drop down navigation
it would cause usability issues with the expanded
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Jeffery
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:49 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript
Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this.
I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the
With the pure CSS version, and using Javascript to take care of IE 5, you
can ensure it will work with browsers with JS disabled. Thats why i chose to
use the Suckerfish style dropdowns. Also you can add some extra behvaiour
ontop of the pure CSS menu's.
I think maybe the best solution would be
Here is an example of the NEW idea:
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/3992/standard01yo8.png
This has got me thinking though. If there is going to be a sub navigation
part on every page is there really any need for the dropdown?
By adding the dropdown the only benefit the user will get is that
The same image but with the content and withut the dropdown showing:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=standard01qi5.png
I think it might work without the dropdown. I will have to speak to the
youth centre manager on Wednesday.
James
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM, James Jeffery
[EMAIL
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Jeffery
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:08 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript
With the pure CSS version, and using Javascript to take care of IE 5, you
can ensure
Pete, have you tried setting the z-index on them?
Peter Ottery wrote:
hiya,
i dont like flyout menus as much as the next guy/girl but i have a
situation that requires them, so i'm using the son of suckerfish menu
[1].
i'm having a problem with adding position:relative to items below the
menu,
Samuel wrote:
have you tried setting the z-index on them?
yeah, tried all sorts of z-index combinations (that i could think of)
but still cant get it working. theres a short note at the bottom of
that example page i put together...
**
The
I see you set a -1 z-index, what happens if you set say 10 and 100? (Are
negatives supported in the z-index?)
Peter Ottery wrote:
Samuel wrote:
have you tried setting the z-index on them?
yeah, tried all sorts of z-index combinations (that i could think of)
but still cant get it working.
Peter Ottery wrote:
hiya,
i dont like flyout menus as much as the next guy/girl but i have a
situation that requires them, so i'm using the son of suckerfish menu
[1].
Personally I don't like the suckerfish menus much. I found these much
more to my liking and you might like to have a look
Hi Pete,
I had the same issue before and had to add one line to the js code for
the drop-downs to hover on top. The extra line is commented.
Hope this helps,
Kenneth
startList = function() {
if (document.alldocument.getElementById) {
navRoot = document.getElementById(nav);
for (i=0;
success! housecleaningSam wrote:-- Are negatives supported in the z-index?
yes, more about z-index at pages like: http://www.echoecho.com/csslayers.htmRic wrote:
-- Personally I don't like the suckerfish menus much.--I found these much more to my
No problem Pete, glad to be of service.
The fix comes from an article by Nick Rigby that I found while trying to
figure out the same problem you had. You can read the article at
http://www.nickrigby.com/article/25/drop-down-menus-horizontal-style-pt-3.
The line of javascript is mentioned by
You got it Damian! Have added another DIV as #container was being used
with the style switchers.
That was an interesting bug - my guess is that the bkg image on the
body was trying to stay centered, but when a suckerfish node broke out
of the page content, the canvas tried to readjust.
I can't seem to duplicate your problem in either FF or IE
Works fine for me.
Buddy
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Stump
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:10 PM
To: WSG Group
Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page
-Original Message-
From: Craig Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 11:10 AM
To: WSG Group
Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image
Hi all,
I have an odd problem with my page background image jumping, when
certain nodes on the
Make sure you shrink the browser width down so that the flyouts would
cause vertical scrollbars.
On 8/31/05, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't seem to duplicate your problem in either FF or IE
Works fine for me.
Buddy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seems fine here in FF on Mac. The flyouts cause a horizontal toolbar
to appear which makes the vertical one increase, but no jumping
backgrounds.
Damian
Make sure you shrink the browser width down so that the flyouts would
cause vertical scrollbars.
I have an odd problem with my page
Here's a screenshot of what I'm experiencing
http://media.compliance.org.au/data/jumpy_bkg.gif
Note that you also need to have the page set to the centered layout
for it to happen.
On 8/31/05, Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems fine here in FF on Mac. The flyouts cause a horizontal
G'day
Here's a screenshot of what I'm experiencing
http://media.compliance.org.au/data/jumpy_bkg.gif
Note that you also need to have the page set to the centered layout
for it to happen.
Uhmmm. What do you mean with have the page set to the centered layout? Is this some obscure browser
There's a js style switcher on the page at the top right for those
with better ideas than mine:
How about moving the background image info from the body to the
#container in layout-centre.css?
Damian
G'day
Here's a screenshot of what I'm experiencing
Can you repost that link for me Mike? It's not working atm...
On 6/7/05, Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://mlol.signify.co.nz/templates/searchtest.html
In IE6 I can't fully fully mouseover the dropdown menu items before they
disappear. It works in IE5 and Mozilla. The HTML and CSS
Jason
sorry about that. I managed to get it working and took it down. The
problem was I hadn't added a background colour for the ul and that was
affecting the dropdown in IE. Imagine! :)
Mike
Jason Foss said:
Can you repost that link for me Mike? It's not working atm...
On 6/7/05, Mike Brown
Sorry, I don't have a Mac, so I can't help you in that department, but I
tested it in my versions of Firefox (1.0.2 nightly) and the menus go
down, but they won't go up again (at least I couldn't figure out how to
do it).
Alan Trick
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Let's combine a whole bunch of
FYI, same problem in ff1.0.2/Mac)S 10.3.3 - dropdown drops but doesn't
retract again.
Works well in Opera 7.54, but the dividing line between Cleaning and
Health Support looks more like a dashed line - seems to be broken somehow.
However, works great in Safari 1.2.1.
Good luck!
Wendy
Alan
Paul
Have a look at http://www.noltec.com.au/style.css, because all the son
of suckerfish css is explicitly inside the #navmenu DIV the code has no
effect on other lists within the same page
Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
Web Development IT consultancy
http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ -
On 21/10/2004, at 4:19 PM, Paul Ross wrote:
Hello folks,
I've used the infamous Suckerfish dropdown menu on a couple of sites
and have come across one glaring issue. The suckerfish CSS owns the ul
and li tags so you can't style them anywhere else on the page. Anyone
else had the same problem and
Hi
Fixed when added background:#fff; to
#topnav li ul,#topnav li.over ul{position:absolute;display:none;}
Rule
Something to do with lack of size without the background
Fixes in both ie6 and firefox
Rgrds
Martin
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Thanks Martin, i really have to take my hat off to you.
and i have to say i really hate IE, but i wont start that fued again.
thanks again
From: Martin Baylis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Suckerfish
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:56:04 +1200
Hi
El vie, 21-05-2004 a las 12:11, Patrick Griffiths escribió:
Thanks very much for the comments on the Suckerfish Dropdowns article.
There are now more Suckerfish articles up on HTML Dog that explain how
you can mimic :hover, :active, :focus and even :target for some
interesting results:
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 06:53 PM, 7 sinz wrote:
Hey i've been experimenting with suckerfish drop downs; first off the
code works brilliantly, but i wonder if it can be achieved without the
extra mark up, if there is a way???
Basicaly what im trying to do is create a CSS based drop down
Dave Shea makes a drop down with 2 lines of CSS. So i wondering if you could
apply the same tech, using the DOM scripting from the suckerfish menus; any
thoughts?
From: Justin French [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 11:05 PM, 7 sinz wrote:
Dave Shea makes a drop down with 2 lines of CSS. So i wondering if you
could apply the same tech, using the DOM scripting from the suckerfish
menus; any thoughts?
You'd have to show me a sample.
---
Justin French
http://indent.com.au
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/10/27/mose_menus/
From: Justin French [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:50:36 +1100
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 11:05 PM, 7 sinz wrote:
Dave Shea makes
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