[WSG] Nokias answer to xhtml?
I was reading the thread about the handheld media type http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/56.php then somehow found what might be the answer for Nokias poor performance. Am I off base here? Can anyone clarify?
[WSG] damn
Heres the link: http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/0,6566,1_1_25_30,00.html
[WSG] pixel to ems converter
Hi, Just thought I ask if there is bit of math or a web site that can accurately convert pixels to ems. If I want to size an image in ems so it will scale with text re-sizing I kinda doing it manually at the moment by dividing by 12 and guessing from there. I thought there might be a site somewhere that you select your font etc and imput you pixel size and it does an acurate conversion. Or am I dreamm..in' Thanks if anyone can answer _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter
On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 05:11 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: Hi, Just thought I ask if there is bit of math or a web site that can accurately convert pixels to ems. If I want to size an image in ems so it will scale with text re-sizing I kinda doing it manually at the moment by dividing by 12 and guessing from there. I thought there might be a site somewhere that you select your font etc and imput you pixel size and it does an acurate conversion. Or am I dreamm..in' Thanks if anyone can answer No, you're definitely dreamin'. An 'em' is different from font to font - it refers to the width of a character, and the same character is a different width in different fonts. Ems are proportional measurements. You have to define pixel dimensions for images because they're made up of pixels. In any case, if an image is rendered by a browser at anything other than its actual pixel dimensions it usually looks pretty ropy. Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements
Title: RE: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements Hi Michael Thanks for the feedback. I have used ems for all text, except in the body tag, as I found that when I used it there, it looked great on a Mac, but on the PC (IE 5 and 6) the fonts were tiny. Interested to hear your recommendations (eg what is a good em size for the body tag), and why should there be such a contrast from one platform to another. Sarah Hi Sarah , Nice site. Just had a quick look and the only thing I picked was no-text re-sizing in IE6. Have you tried using ems. Michael From: Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:50:09 +1000 I would appreciate feedback on the following (personal) site (please disregard previous posting): http://www.bureke.com.au/ (temporary address) The main CSS page is at: http://www.bureke.com.au/styles/global.css The site is valid XHTML 1.0 and CSS. I have checked on WIN IE 5.0 and 6, Safari 1.2.2 (Mac), Netscape 7.1 (Mac), IE 5.2 (Mac), Opera 7.5 (Mac), Firefox 0.8 (Mac). A couple of questions: 1. Is there a work around to prevent the left hand navigation from indenting in WIN IE 5.0 (I want to retain the border-bottom, but I think this is why the browser shows the links indented) ? I notice Eric Meyer's example ( http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical06.htm also has the same quirk in IE 5.0). 2. In IE 5.0 the bottom of #content does not continue to the footer. Any ideas? 3. In both IE 5.0 and 6 there seems to be a padding-left problem with the #rightnav - ie too much space to the left. Any ideas? If someone can also check on WIN IE 5.5 and/or any other WIN browsers ??? Any other suggestions for improvements in layout, style sheet formatting, usability etc, would be gratefully received. I would like the site to also be more accessible - not a great strength of mine, any help here also appreciated. Thanks, Sarah * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Bruce Gilbert is out of the office.
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Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter
Ems are actually standard units that are based on what font size your browser is set to (in some browsers), in combination with the font-size property in your CSS. While this may correspond to the actual width of an m in a font, any such correspondence is merely coincidental -- the font type has nothing to do with the unit em as it relates to CSS. I did whip up a page that shows a rough scale of ems for different browser variables that might help you: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/05/27/ http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/emWidths/ Regards, -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com --- Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 05:11 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: An 'em' is different from font to font - it refers to the width of a character, and the same character is a different width in different fonts. Ems are proportional measurements. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
I found it interesting that the IHT article page does not work unless you have javascript enabled... and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting the third column to move to the next page) is fairly non standard, and is not backed up by any other cues to the user (heck, even a tooltip would have done, or a change of cursor)...but I digress Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Tim Shortt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 June 2004 16:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal Thought this might interest the group: http://www.iht.com/articles/525584.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Mac testers please
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to test my site using IE for Mac 5+ and Safari http://www.v2.shockmedia.com.au Thanks. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Mac testers please
Marc Heres a handy tip for you. Like you I dont have a Mac that I can use for testing so I use: http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ iCapture - your site through the eyes of Apple's Safari browser to test my clients sites in Safari 1.2. Sure its not perfect but its better than a kick in the teeth :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to test my site using IE for Mac 5+ and Safari http://www.v2.shockmedia.com.au Thanks. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Site Check
Hi, Ive been trying to get my head around standards based design and am putting together a personal site. Ive used the suckerfish menu, but am having a wierd flashing effect on rollover in firefox 8 pc. The content from the grey box at the bottom appears to flash over the menu? Its HTML 4 transitional with a view to going xhtml strict. ( would this be a giant leap?) I've only checked it locally, it would be great if you tell me how looks on different browsers. Any comments or suggestions would be great. The page is at: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/index.html and the css: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/styles.css Thanks in advance Pete * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Site Check
I can confirm the wierd flashing effect is still there on the new Firefox 0.9 as well. Apart from that the sites look is quite nice. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Peter Costello wrote: Hi, Ive been trying to get my head around standards based design and am putting together a personal site. Ive used the suckerfish menu, but am having a wierd flashing effect on rollover in firefox 8 pc. The content from the grey box at the bottom appears to flash over the menu? Its HTML 4 transitional with a view to going xhtml strict. ( would this be a giant leap?) I've only checked it locally, it would be great if you tell me how looks on different browsers. Any comments or suggestions would be great. The page is at: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/index.html and the css: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/styles.css Thanks in advance Pete * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Some links for light reading...
Dan Cederholm asked people to send in web standards links for a free copy of his book. 485 people responded. http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/06/16/contest.html In return the community has gained a huge list of web standards links, which Steve Smith has compiled into an ordered list: http://www.orderedlist.com/articles/simple_list Meanwhile, Dezwozhere has posted a list of accesskey articles: http://www.dezwozhere.com/blog/archives/000796.html A great list but missing two important links... Accesskey standards: http://www.clagnut.com/blog/193/ Dynamically underlining accesskeys: http://www.clagnut.com/blog/356/ Other general links... Dave Shea's Validation, Moderation, Constipation http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/06/17/validation_m/ Roger Johansson's Flexible news list http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/flexible_news_list/ Andy Clarke's What's in a name (pt2) - CSS naming conventions: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/whats_in_a_name_pt2.html Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml
Hi Patrick, I beg to differ on this hair-splitting point: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/#text-html [XHTML1] defines a profile of use of XHTML which is compatible with HTML 4.01 and which may also be labeled as text/html I'm not sure that we differ on this point. The W3C dictates that we MAY (1) serve XHTML1 as HTML. Good sense(2) argues that we SHOULD serve XHTML as application/xhtml+xml. Doing otherwise is disingenuous(3) and could introduce subtle bugs, and lord knows we have enough subtle bugs to work around as is. Cheers, Andrew Taumoefolau 1. Apologies for busting out the RFC language. 2. http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml 3. We ought to be proud that we're serving xml! :) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Ten questions for Molly Holzschlag
Molly Holzschlag is an active and passionate member of the Web Standards Project who is dedicated to providing easy-to-access information about Web markup and design via her books, articles, courses, conference events and website Molly talks about her books, standards, CSS vs tables, the IE factor, the Web Standards Project and more. Read more: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/molly-holzschlag.cfm Hope you like it... Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml
From: Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [...] I'm not sure that we differ on this point. after re-reading your message, you're right. As I skimmed over the 100 odd emails in this list's folder that accumulated over the weekend, I could have sworn you had written MUST NOT, instead of SHOULD NOT. Ah, I love those subtle differences ;) P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
Project Mars - Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Peter Ottery put this presentation together for the Sydney meeting of the Web Standards Group on Thursday June 10, 2004. It outlines the process he and his team used to take the SMH and Age sites from table based layouts to full CSS. Available as a 1mb pdf file: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource210.cfm I'd like to thank Peter for making the presentation available to all. Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
The link on the page is broken ;) However, if you copy the link address and take out the first http:// addy, and the trailing %20 you can download it (what I did) Will read it on the flight over the puddle, have a good one ~Veine At 01:22 AM 6/22/2004 +1000, you wrote: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource210.cfm Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
Dear Russ, This seemed like a very interesting meeting, would it be possible to publish the actual CSS files? Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:23 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Project Mars - Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Peter Ottery put this presentation together for the Sydney meeting of the Web Standards Group on Thursday June 10, 2004. It outlines the process he and his team used to take the SMH and Age sites from table based layouts to full CSS. Available as a 1mb pdf file: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource210.cfm I'd like to thank Peter for making the presentation available to all. Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units
Hi Folks,
I was wondering if anyone has ideas for a simpler way of dealing with this issue than
I have.
The issue:
I like to set my font sizes in ems. I also use ems a lot to position block elements so
that my designs work better as people expand contract their text sizes. The problem
is for example if I have body with font-size 1em and h1 with font-size 1.5em, then a
10em margin on a div (within body) renders at 2/3 the size of the same 10em margin on
an h1.
The solution I've come up with is to enclose non-1em sized text in a span tag and
assign font size values with a contextual selector (e.g. h1 span {font-size:1.5em}).
The problem with this solution is that it means adding quite a few semantically
meaningless tags.
Anybody got a better idea?
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Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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Re: [WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units
What I'm looking for is a way to have a consistent em based measuring unit across all block elements in a site so that a width of say 10em will be the same no matter what the font size of the text in that block is. Here's a little demo using your example with each element given a left margin of 10em, and similar headers with my typical use of spans: http://hurricane.mit.edu/erp_manuals/test.html As you can see the way you're suggesting still gives an effective margin of 12em when the font size is 1.2em and 15em when the font size is 1.5em. -- Bill McAvinney Massachusetts Institute of Technology Web Services Administrative Computing, IST 617-258-6023 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] invalid xhtml
Then there is the situation of low-cost shared hosting. Perhaps you folks can help clear up this question: Our community sites reside on telus shared-hosting (apache servers) and while I try to 'follow' the excellent advice I find here on the list and elsewhere, we're not getting the results we would expect. We have no control over the http headers. Even though I've mounted XHMTL 1. 0 Strict with the MIME type application/xhtml+xml, Mozilla still shows it as text/html. Should I revert back to text/html, since this would appear to be what is being served out, beyond our control? Roy - Original Message - From: Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml Hi Patrick, I beg to differ on this hair-splitting point: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/#text-html [XHTML1] defines a profile of use of XHTML which is compatible with HTML 4.01 and which may also be labeled as text/html I'm not sure that we differ on this point. The W3C dictates that we MAY (1) serve XHTML1 as HTML. Good sense(2) argues that we SHOULD serve XHTML as application/xhtml+xml. Doing otherwise is disingenuous(3) and could introduce subtle bugs, and lord knows we have enough subtle bugs to work around as is. Cheers, Andrew Taumoefolau 1. Apologies for busting out the RFC language. 2. http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml 3. We ought to be proud that we're serving xml! :) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:31:17 +0100, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found it interesting that the IHT article page does not work unless you have javascript enabled... and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting the third column to move to the next page) is fairly non standard, and is not backed up by any other cues to the user (heck, even a tooltip would have done, or a change of cursor)...but I digress There are next page and prev page links further down as well as a 1 | 2 link -- but -- those don't work either if you don't have javascript enabled. -- hth, Stephanie http://stephanie.elsy.us/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
Stephanie wrote: There are next page and prev page links further down as well as a 1 | 2 link -- but -- those don't work either if you don't have javascript enabled. I was really just trying to point out some mainstream coverage of what is probably familiar to most on the list--not to draw attention to the shortcomings of the site. There is a tinge of irony to reporting about Keeping the Web Universal on a site that *requires* Javascript. While we're on the subject, I don't think this approach degrades gracefully without JS (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). To their defense, this is a rather dated design, going back several years...at least that's how long I remember reading it. It predates any significant Web standards movement, I think. The Clippings feature has always been a really nice way to save a quick list of what you want to read, in case you're interrupted or don't have time at the moment (which was nice prior to the days of RSS feeds). To me, that feature would still be consistent with a standards-based approach because it's a nice-to-have/nice-to-use. But the this site requires javascript (especially just to navigate an article) is a no-go, IMO. Tim * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
Since the SMH is a public site, the css can be examined by looking at the source by going to www.smh.com.au and theage.com.au -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear Russ, This seemed like a very interesting meeting, would it be possible to publish the actual CSS files? Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:23 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Project Mars - Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Peter Ottery put this presentation together for the Sydney meeting of the Web Standards Group on Thursday June 10, 2004. It outlines the process he and his team used to take the SMH and Age sites from table based layouts to full CSS. Available as a 1mb pdf file: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource210.cfm I'd like to thank Peter for making the presentation available to all. Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Site Live
Hi all Just a quick update to say that http://www.xert.org/ is now live. Many thanks for all the feedback, both on and off line. Any other feedback regarding usability, standards, accessibility etc most welcome. Thanks! Sarah -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xert.com.au - web design, digital imaging, corporate logos http://www.xert.org - Inspirational Works * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Nancy wrote: This seemed like a very interesting meeting, would it be possible to publish the actual CSS files? Hi Nancy, thanks for yr interest :) By 'actual CSS files' I assume you mean for the sites discussed - smh.com.au theage.com.au..? Point your browser in the direction of those URL's and dig away :) I should mention, in a recent development (since the presentation), we've inlined the CSS on the homepage - primarily for performance issues. Granted the nature of CSS makes so much more sense when it comes from a central linked file/s - but the situation with these news sites and the amount of sustained traffic they get at peak periods meant inlining the CSS made a noticeable difference in load time over a modem (and even a small difference could be observed over a network connection). All other pages (articles etc) have a linked css file as normal. pete Peter Ottery Head of Design f2 Network (02) 8596 4450 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.f2.com.au
RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Hiya, sorry, dont mean to add to the list traffic too much but just wanted to point out that your Mozilla extension added in some of its own styles etc when used to copy and paste those styles Amit. (changed colour values to rbg and added things like "border: medium none"...) cheers, pete I was just going to say that Pete :) use firefox/mozilla and dig out the CSS with the 'web developer extension. Here you go Nancy. Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com snip pasted smh css was here/snip
Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:44:12 -0400, Tim Shortt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really just trying to point out some mainstream coverage of what is probably familiar to most on the list--not to draw attention to the shortcomings of the site. There is a tinge of irony to reporting about Keeping the Web Universal on a site that *requires* Javascript. Yes, that was my point too - there were at least three ways to navigate the article pages but ALL of them required javascript. In fact, if you disable javascript and then go to the article, you can't even see the first page. While we're on the subject, I don't think this approach degrades gracefully without JS (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). To their defense, this is a rather dated design, going back several years...at least that's how long I remember reading it. It predates any significant Yes, I recognize the design from at least two years ago, perhaps three years. But the this site requires javascript (especially just to navigate an article) is a no-go, IMO. Ditto. :) -- hth, Stephanie http://stephanie.elsy.us/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] THREAD CLOSED - Redesigning smh.com.au theage.com.au with css
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Sorry folks, nothing really wrong here but the subject line is giving me grief.Some Governmentspam filters see ; in the subject and throw it back to me and I'm getting swamped. Stupid really but there you go. If you must answer it please remove amp; from the subject line. No discussion on this matter please. P From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter OtterySent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:18 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css Hiya, sorry, dont mean to add to the list traffic too much but just wanted to point out that your Mozilla extension added in some of its own styles etc when used to copy and paste those styles Amit. (changed colour values to rbg and added things like "border: medium none"...) cheers, pete I was just going to say that Pete :) use firefox/mozilla and dig out the CSS with the 'web developer extension. Here you go Nancy. Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com snip pasted smh css was here/snip
Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter
Thanks Cameron, That will do nicely. I can stick a pixel sized image next to your page scale and I can guess from there what the ems value is. I may even stick in smaller scale divisions in to make it easier. It's visual and therefore not 100% accurate but it will help me get pretty close. Thanks again Michael From: Cameron Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Ems are actually standard units that are based on what font size your browser is set to (in some browsers), in combination with the font-size property in your CSS. While this may correspond to the actual width of an m in a font, any such correspondence is merely coincidental -- the font type has nothing to do with the unit em as it relates to CSS. I did whip up a page that shows a rough scale of ems for different browser variables that might help you: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/05/27/ http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/emWidths/ Regards, -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com --- Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 05:11 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: An 'em' is different from font to font - it refers to the width of a character, and the same character is a different width in different fonts. Ems are proportional measurements. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * _ Open an Online Savings Account today collect a bonus $30*! http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css
Some posting guidelines and information for Nancy, Amit and all of our new members. Nancy: If your email is to Russ then please send it directly to Russ. If you then find out information which is relevant to web standards and that the majority of this list will care to read your post, then, please, post to the list. Amit: Please don't post me toos... especially ones that contain thousands of lines of CSS. From the guidelines: - Try to use plain text email rather than HTML email where possible. - Read all the posts in your inbox before answering so that multiple similar answers are avoided as much as possible - Code samples are fine, but not full pages of html or css code - much better to link to these items - If you wish to post a message to the list and are unsure if it is on-topic, please email Peter and Russ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] A full copy of the guidelines can be found here: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm -- tim Nancy Johnson spoke the following wise words on 22/06/2004 3:23 AM EST: Dear Russ, This seemed like a very interesting meeting, would it be possible to publish the actual CSS files? Amit Karmakar spoke the following wise words on 22/06/2004 9:51 AM EST: I was just going to say that Pete :) use firefox/mozilla and dig out the CSS with the 'web developer extension. Here you go Nancy. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
