Re: [WSG] CSS validator says [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed.

2005-03-19 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
I get the same response, so would seem to be a bug; perhaps submit a bug report to w3c? (Our company has sent in a bug report for the w3c xhtml 1.1 validator the other week, so don't treat it as absolutely perfect!!) Siggy - Original Message - From: Andrey Stefanenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] CSS validator says [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed.

2005-03-19 Thread Juergen Auer
Hi Andrey, it could be an error because of the first line. The Xml-Declaration has to be found in the first line, not in the second. The Declaration allows an encoding-switch or the version 1.1, then the NEL (#x2028) would be allowed as line-break. So the Declaration has to be the first in

Re: [WSG] CSS validator says [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed.

2005-03-19 Thread Leslie Riggs
Out of curiosity, I'm wondering why the xml prolog is there in the document when the page is being served as text/html? I'm still pretty new to this, so I'm happy to learn and understand Leslie Riggs Hi, I have valid XHTML http://idealcouple.com/

Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?

2005-03-19 Thread Roger Johansson
On 19 mar 2005, at 08.51, Sigurd Magnusson wrote: However, it seems that even if I put an ALT on the text field, the automated WCAG-AA test still fails the form; why?? Because it isn't associated with the text input field, which is what needs a label. I could put the label around the image

[WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Carol Doersom
Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 to put some space between items in my html...besides adding otherwise unneeded br /s after images and links, or wrapping them in ps? I've noticed that it does not put any space between divs. Also, is there a way to prevent NS4 from putting big

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Carol Doersom wrote: Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 to put some space between items in my html...besides adding otherwise unneeded br /s after images and links, or wrapping them in ps? I've noticed that it does not put any space between divs. Unless I'm missing something, it

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Also, is there a way to prevent NS4 from putting big ugly blue borders around images that are links? If NN4 is still among the browsers you want to support visually, I'd recommend sticking with HTML4 or XHTML1.0 transitional, and still adding the border attribute (which

Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?

2005-03-19 Thread Gez Lemon
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:51:33 +1300, Sigurd Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could put the label around the image button, or have a blank one, but this sort of defeats the purpose in my opinion... ideas? Both Patrick and Roger are correct. It's the text field that requires a label in order

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:15:11 -, Carol Doersom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a standards compliant way to force NS4 Please, don't support NN4. It's buggy outdated browser. If you start worrying how your page works in NN4, your code will start decaying. If you hide CSS from it, probably

Re: [WSG] CSS validator says [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed.

2005-03-19 Thread Jalenack
It may have something to do with the PHP echoing the prologdo you have a special circumstance setup, like it only sends the prolog to mozilla or something? I think the validator is receving something that the browsers aren't. Also, I just checked in IE5/mac, safari, and FF/mac. Everything is

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Please, don't support NN4. Unfortunately, this type of decision often does not rest with the actual developers, but with management or other stakeholders. I'd say it's a dangerous sweeping statement to make. Otherwise - give those poor dinosaurs some reason to upgrade.

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:12:10 -, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kornel Lesinski wrote: Please, don't support NN4. Unfortunately, this type of decision often does not rest with the actual developers, but with management or other stakeholders. True, but management should make

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
True, but management should make educated decision and that means listening to developers. But a developer who doesn't know how to design for NN4 would be biased, no? IMHO, supporting NN4 is a call for: - bad semantic, - structural hacks, - extra hours spent on the project. Out of these three

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Carol Doersom
Hassan Schroeder wrote: Also, is there a way to prevent NS4 from putting big ugly blue borders around images that are links? Or use CSS :-) I am using CSS and just want my pages to degrade nicely in NS4. I'm definitely _not_ going to try to make them match what they look like in up-to-date

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Michael Wilson
Carol Doersom wrote: I can't put margins in for NS4, because they'll mess up my page layout in the up-to-date browsers, so I guess I'll use ps or br /s where necessary. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions! It's really not all that difficult to compensate for NN4. Just use a linked

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: (I believe NN4 doesn't do CSS without JS enabled anyway): Excellent...I wasn't aware of that one; as it sounded a bit strange, I proceeded to test it, and indeed you're right. It must be a bug (as the options for javascript and styles should be completely separate), but a

[WSG] Bullets not showing up in Firefox/Opera

2005-03-19 Thread Zachary Hopkins
See here - http://69.174.31.29:99/products/vbdoodle/ The bullets are visible in IE, but not in Firefox/Opera. I've never seen this happen before and I am sure I've done something goofy to make them go away, but I am unable to figure out what it is. Perhaps you guys have some suggestions?

[WSG] Internationalization and Unicode Conference: Berlin, April 6-8

2005-03-19 Thread Tex Texin
Unicode, Cultural Diversity and Multilingual Computing http://www.global-conference.com/iuc27/ Berlin, Germany April 6-8, 2005 Program Highlights: == * Multilingual and

Re: [WSG] CSS validator says [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed.

2005-03-19 Thread Ben Curtis
I have valid XHTML http://idealcouple.com/ http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fidealcouple.com%2F ... Please, validate your XML document first! Line 2 Column 6 The processing instruction target matching [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed. ... I have both XHTML and CSS valid, but CSS

Re: [WSG] Bullets not showing up in Firefox/Opera

2005-03-19 Thread Juergen Auer
I see the foollowing two lines: #navbox ul, li{display:block;margin:0;padding:0 0 0 0;} and #buttons ul, li{display:block;margin:0;padding:0 0 0 0;} Both do not declare (#navbox ul) And (#navbox li), instead (#navbox ul) And (li) If I kill both 'li' or change them to the undefined 'lis',

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:17:35 -, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: (I believe NN4 doesn't do CSS without JS enabled anyway): Excellent...I wasn't aware of that one; as it sounded a bit strange, I proceeded to test it, and indeed you're right. It must be a

[WSG] Change to application/xhtml+xml breaks background colour.

2005-03-19 Thread Michael Dale
Hey everyone, I've just decided to output application/xhtml+xml to browsers that support it (Mozilla, firefox etc). Now the site is XHTML 1.1 and valid so that is all good. But the problem I am seeing is that the background colour doesn't cover the whole page. Here is a linky to my site:

Re: [WSG] NS4 spacing borders

2005-03-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
but a useful one to know for sure. Since we're talking about NN4... Another interesting thing about this browser is the way it handles the noscript tag. In NN4, a simple noscript tags pair can break apart a whole CSS layout; at other times, it can be a great way to clear floats. Once a designer

Re: [WSG] Change to application/xhtml+xml breaks background colour.

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Michael Dale wrote: I've just decided to output application/xhtml+xml to browsers that support it (Mozilla, firefox etc). Now the site is XHTML 1.1 and valid so that is all good. But the problem I am seeing is that the background colour doesn't cover the whole page. Now this only happens when I

Re: [WSG] Change to application/xhtml+xml breaks background colour.

2005-03-19 Thread Michael Dale
It's okay. I've fixed it. I was having an issue with overflow. Thanks again, didn't know that detail about xhtml :) - Original Message - From: Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:35:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Change to

Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?

2005-03-19 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
Cheers - had wondered about using display:none, but always feel a little annoyed there aren't better ways; it surprises me that an alt tag on the input type=text / is insufficient. One other note--does having an initial value in the text field aid blind readers? Is it advocated by WAI or aid

Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?

2005-03-19 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
Cheers - had wondered about using display:none, but always feel a little annoyed there aren't better ways; it surprises me that an alt tag on the input type=text / is insufficient. One other note--does having an initial value in the text field aid blind readers? Is it advocated by WAI or aid

Re: [WSG] Making accessible a one-text field form with an image submit button?

2005-03-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Sigurd Magnusson wrote: One other note--does having an initial value in the text field aid blind readers? Is it advocated by WAI or aid WCAG rules? (I would express a view that it helps visual users). Any initial value forces users to clear the input first before being able to input their own

[WSG] Dilemma: Useful, additional attributes in elements, invalidating HTML

2005-03-19 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
This is a split technical/marketing dilemma for people to ponder... Over the past few years, we have built up a library of rather useful Javascript libraries that we thought were a very elegant solution for adding behaviour to menu systems and forms. These have been used on dozens of websites,

Re: [WSG] Dilemma: Useful, additional attributes in elements, invalidating HTML

2005-03-19 Thread Gez Lemon
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:04:23 +1200, Sigurd Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past few years, we have built up a library of rather useful Javascript libraries that we thought were a very elegant solution for adding behaviour to menu systems and forms. These have been used on dozens of

Re: [WSG] Dilemma: Useful, additional attributes in elements, invalidating HTML

2005-03-19 Thread Gez Lemon
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:46:21 +, Gez Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: input type=text name=EmailAddress required=true class=email/ Didn't mean to leave the required attribute in, sorry :-) input type=text name=EmailAddress class=required email/ Cheers, Gez _

Re: [WSG] Dilemma: Useful, additional attributes in elements, invalidating HTML

2005-03-19 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day 1. Technical -- there will be times when the validator shows errors. 2. Marketing -- people consider a document validates or doesn't. It's not only people... Almost valid documents will most likely not display if the document in question is served as application/xhtml+xml. Therefore,

[WSG] Website Review (prose.code215)

2005-03-19 Thread Johnno Shadbolt
Hello, I've had some free time over the past couple of days, so I thought why not make a simple website, with a minimalistic design, just for kicks. And I must say, I like the results (www.prose.code215.com). I've tested it on a few browsers: Internet Explorer 6, Opera 6, Firefox 1, Netscape 7,