Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Joshua Street
Just quickly, speaking in Google's favour, I've had to use Gmail in an emergency via SSH on a text terminal, and it remained eminently usable. Screenreaders may not fare so well, but for the vast majority of users, it's key strength is usability and the depth of their products. It seems they value

RE: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate?

2005-12-08 Thread Edward Clarke
Google is the preferred search engine of use for the majority of users of assistive devices due to its clear and simple layout; another example of the 'religion of the perfection of writing to W3C standards' not always required to deliver accessibility and usability. Edward Clarke ECommerce

Re: [WSG] CSS - Fixing PNG Transparency Issues in IE?

2005-12-08 Thread Srecko Micic
But what if Java is disabled in browser ? Maybe you should try this then - http://koivi.com/ie-png-transparency/ 2005/12/8, Matthew Cruickshank [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Artemis wrote: If anyone knows anything about this htc file, if it would be good to use, how exactly it works, and where I might

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Lea de Groot
On 08/12/2005, at 5:35 PM, Bert Doorn wrote: Just thinking Google may fall into this category as it's obviously script driven. Yeah, its probably mostly that - they are back end coders and aren't aware of the front end issues. But - this is *Google*!! They are hiring the best of breed. I

[WSG] Problems styling dl's

2005-12-08 Thread Sean SPALDING
Hi all, I am very partial to definition lists for staff lists and staff profiles but I'm having some problems getting them to work. Eg. http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/schools/mtl/staff/index.htm and http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/schools/mtl/staff/spettigrew.htm In IE I get the 3px jog and in

[WSG] edit standard based website for client

2005-12-08 Thread Frederic Fery
Hi all, I was playing with a demo style master that generates quite good standard websites. If you build such websites for customers, I have noticed that opening the page in dream weaver would push everything all over the place on the screen (see screen shot), which becomes very hard for a non

Re: [WSG] Need help with form

2005-12-08 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Well it seems you must have fixed it because Cynthia Says is passing you at Triple A. Regards, Ric Kim Kruse wrote: Hi, I thought I've done everything correct with my forms... but no. So now I'm trying to figure out why Cynthia/WEBXACT fails my form pages. I just don't understand what

Re: [WSG] edit standard based website for client

2005-12-08 Thread Martin Heiden
Frederic, on Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 11:32 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: let's say that you have to built sites that are going to be maintained by non-techies, and you know they are going to use Dream weaver, what should you do? Upgrade Dreamweaver/Contribute to the current version

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread James Ellis
Hi Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm sure there are heaps of slightly dodgy organisations out there that hire programmers who understand standards. I think the Google question more comes down to if you are on to a good

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Lea de Groot
On 08/12/2005, at 10:29 PM, James Ellis wrote: Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm sure there are heaps of slightly dodgy organisations out there that hire programmers who understand standards. See, thats where I

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Makes it interesting when you are trying to sell clients "validated" code and web sites if they ask "does Google have validated code?". Regards, Ric James Ellis wrote: Hi Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm

Re: [WSG] Lengthy form buttons

2005-12-08 Thread Spark
I must add, they work fine in IE / XP , if you are using the 'windows classic' theme (without the fancy round buttons) Just to be more specific :D Spark! On 12/7/05, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/12/05, Tim Burgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a clue as to why this

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Michael Cordover
I think that Google's failure to validate may be due to the simple issue of bandwidth. Certainly on the main page, the whole source is compressed and effectively minimised. Bandwidth is expensive these days. Inserting a doctype, separating style data, that sort of thing, takes a lot of

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Al Sparber
From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it isn't the first thing that occurred to me! I've often wondered why it is that Google doesn't validate. I mean its not as if they were just a couple of errors, and we could all just shake it off - they are no where near validating. Lets just look at

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Michael Cordover wrote: I think that Google's failure to validate may be due to the simple issue of bandwidth. Certainly on the main page, the whole source is compressed and effectively minimised. Bandwidth is expensive these days. Inserting a doctype, separating style data, that sort

[WSG] Image replacement and google

2005-12-08 Thread Barrie North
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? Do you get penalized? Barrie North Compass Design www.compassdesigns.net ~Professional, affordable web design~

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/8/05, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Michael Cordover wrote: I think that Google's failure to validate may be due to the simple issue of bandwidth. Certainly on the main page, the whole source is compressed and effectively minimised. Bandwidth is expensive these days.

[WSG] real xhtml - last question!

2005-12-08 Thread designer
. . . before I go back to html 2.0! But seriously, in my continuing quest to understand/get a feeling for mime types etc, I've made two files now : thearea.html and thearea.xhtml. What I did was to make the xhtml first, validate it etc, then save as html as well. So the two files are

Re: [WSG] Image replacement and google

2005-12-08 Thread Jan Brasna
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? See http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4313 + comments. Do you get penalized? No. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The

Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!

2005-12-08 Thread Donna Jones
Thanks for persuing this, i'm trying to understand, too. designer wrote: . . . before I go back to html 2.0! But seriously, in my continuing quest to understand/get a feeling for mime types etc, I've made two files now : thearea.html and thearea.xhtml. What I did was to make the xhtml

Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!

2005-12-08 Thread Jan Brasna
is there a 'list' of things which happen in 'real' xhtml but not in text/html? http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!

2005-12-08 Thread designer
Thanks Jan, Marvelous information! I now see why my 'body' background colour doesn't work - it has to be on html as well. Of course, this means that the background isn't fixed in IE any more, but I suppose we should expect that! :-) Jan Brasna wrote: is there a 'list' of things which

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Lea de Groot
On 09/12/2005, at 12:20 AM, Al Sparber wrote: But if I were you, I'd get in touch with Google and really lay into them about this :-) What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Joshua Street
Well, if they don't know about it already, consider Gmail conspiracy theories disproved ;-) On 12/9/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/12/2005, at 12:20 AM, Al Sparber wrote: But if I were you, I'd get in touch with Google and really lay into them about this :-) What, when I

[WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected

Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!

2005-12-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
designer wrote: However, the css behaves differently - the body background colour is not showing in the xhtml version, but the background image shows OK . . . ... Is this to do with relative and absolute links again, or what? No, that was when I linked to the content-type proxy. The relative

RE: [WSG] problems!!!

2005-12-08 Thread Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media]
Thanx Bert for all your help... Gerardo -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de gchairez Enviado el: Jueves, 08 de Diciembre de 2005 01:21 a.m. Para: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Asunto: RE: [WSG] problems!!! Well, you fixed another problem that I

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Joshua Street
Just use ALT text? Isn't that accessible enough? Or am I not understanding what you're trying to do... Josh p.s. Cool flowed-frame text! On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a

[WSG] matter of Semantics

2005-12-08 Thread Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media]
I've been thinking what should be the best term for Sitemap coz I've had some clients asking me if they are gonna have in that section a localization map. Probably the best term would be Index, what do you guys think? Gerardo Chairez This message has been scanned by BitDefender and found

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
Thx :) Semantically, I thought it better to have like: a href=http://www.xyzcorp.com; ... class=sponsor xyzcorpXYZCorp/a and then stylistically 'overload' this with a nice GIF. Perhaps not? I don't know. Joshua Street wrote: Just use ALT text? Isn't that accessible enough? Or am I not

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Joshua Street
Well, the markup is a bit lighter, but img doesn't really carry any semantic baggage, so if you just use appropriate alt text that's a perfectly acceptable (and probably the simplest, from your perspective) way to do things, IMHO of course. On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thx

RE: [WSG] matter of Semantics

2005-12-08 Thread Paul Noone
That just sounds like ignorance to me but perhaps they'd be more comfortable with Table of Contents, given that most site maps are nothing more than this anyway? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media] Sent:

Re: [WSG] matter of Semantics

2005-12-08 Thread Donna
Unless your site is about physical location, stick with 'site map' - many (not all of course) users will understand it to be a structural representation of the current website. It sounds like your clients aren't heavy web users, which is fine. You might just need to explain that the

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Linda Harms
Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode)

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My web host uses PHP as a CGI module, I think, therefore, that it only handles files with .php extension? Stephen Linda Harms wrote: Stephen, Several options actually are available on the PHP side. -- you CAN script

Re: [WSG] CSS - Fixing PNG Transparency Issues in IE?

2005-12-08 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Srecko Micic wrote: But what if Java is disabled in browser ? Then it won't work anyway, because all methods I've seen use progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader() which is itself a call via Javascript. (fairly sure that's the case) .Matthew Cruickshank

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Samuel Richardson
I think you can configure Apache to parse whatever file extensions you like as PHP, in other words you configure it with the hosting application, the CGI module should not care what it's receiving. Stephen Stagg wrote: In fact, I chickened out and used the IMG tag solution. however My

RE: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Paul Noone
Not so. It depends on Apache and how it's configured. You can check how PHP is set up by creating a new PHP page and just inlcude the following: ?php phpinfo() ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What? -

2005-12-08 Thread Linda Harms
should be fine. I end with .php as my editor is much friendlier with that. See: www.dartmouthdigital.com/phpclass/week3.php. This class project was to deliver different content based on browsers, so you'll get one of 6 themes. In each of the themes, the banner is selected randomly - via css

[WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values

2005-12-08 Thread Rachel Radford
Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone else has come across the following problem and if so, how they fixed it? I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html from a .net engine that I then style up with css. In this case I need to reference one item on the page that has an id of

RE: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values

2005-12-08 Thread Peter Williams
From: Rachel Radford one item on the page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125 in Firefox it works fine. IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores and ignores the rule ID and class names can't start with a number either, I wonder if that is part of the problem, after the underscore the

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread heretic
What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Yeah, good luck finding usable contact details on their site ;) As far as I can tell, Google doesn't write

RE: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values

2005-12-08 Thread Peter Williams
From: Rachel Radford page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125 Just to follow up on the underscore thing... From the W3C HTML 4.01 recommendation ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens (-), underscores (_),

Re: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values

2005-12-08 Thread Ben Wong
I'd recommend not styling with the generated ids and using classes instead. On 12/9/05, Rachel Radford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone else has come across the following problem and if so, how they fixed it? I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html

Re: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values

2005-12-08 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Rachel Radford wrote: I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html from a .net engine that I then style up with css. In this case I need to reference one item on the page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125. When I style this up in Firefox it works fine. But it seems that IE gets

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Joshua Street
.htaccess maybe? On 12/9/05, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so. It depends on Apache and how it's configured. You can check how PHP is set up by creating a new PHP page and just inlcude the following: ?php phpinfo() ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ADMIN - thread closedRe: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Lea de Groot
On 09/12/2005, at 2:42 PM, Joshua Street wrote: .htaccess maybe? Yep, the syntax is: AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .htm .whateverExtension This part of the thread is closed, please - we're way off topic! warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread heretic
OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Interesting timing rumour is that http://www.google.com/ig is going to become their new My Google style portal page. The markup still stinks. h -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just

Re: [WSG] CSS - Fixing PNG Transparency Issues in IE?

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/8/05, Matthew Cruickshank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Srecko Micic wrote: But what if Java is disabled in browser ? Then it won't work anyway, because all methods I've seen use progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader() which is itself a call via Javascript. (fairly sure

Re: [WSG] problems!!!

2005-12-08 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day again Thanx for your response Bert, My problem is this: If I display the page on 800*600 it would look correct, the thing is when I use a higher resolution as 1024*786 or bigger... the quienes somos text would move right below the bienvenidos section, I need that the twocols items display

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/9/05, heretic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Interesting timing rumour is that http://www.google.com/ig is going to become their new My Google style portal page. The markup still stinks. That has been around for a