Re: [WSG] li background image

2005-12-14 Thread Nathan Wheatley
Nope. It does in fact make the lines higher, but it simple ads more 'space' at the top of the text, not actaully adding it to the top AND the bottom. It also does nothing to make the image display at its full height. Damn. Any other suggestions? On 12/14/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Al Kendall
Can anyone please tell me how to fix the following script to get the div the stay in the center of the page in IE. It works fine in Firefox, but stay left in IE. body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 22px;

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Al Kendall wrote: Can anyone please tell me how to fix the following script to get the div the stay in the center of the page in IE. It works fine in Firefox, but stay left in IE. Add this to your existing CSS: body { text-align:center } #content { text-align:left } Regards -- Bert

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Try this Al #content { padding: 10px; margin:5px auto; background-color: #fff; border: 1px solid #000; width: 70%; /* remove this because you are setting your margin to auto*/ } Regards, Ric Al Kendall wrote: Can anyone please tell me how to fix the following script to get the div the

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ben Wong
On 12/14/05, Ric Jude Raftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try this Al #content { padding: 10px; margin:5px auto; background-color: #fff; border: 1px solid #000; width: 70%; /* remove this because you are setting your margin to auto*/ } errr...then the div will fill the page...

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Apologies...you're right. Leave the width, although I would be setting it to 760px so it was effectively 100% in 800 x 600 and have margins in larger resolutions. I really don't understand why people want these margins though. I feel a site should be fluid to 100% irrespective of

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I feel a site should be fluid to 100% irrespective of resolution. While I agree with you in principle... Have you ever seen a site at 1280x1024 or higher resolution, 100% width and (as some designers seem to be keen on), microscopic (12px or smaller) text? Not easy to read.

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Yes, I have and in my humble opinion, poor design. Px heights for fonts are not recommended and will cause problems with higher resolution monitors at 96px and in future above. Recommendations are to set font sizes at percentages or ems. I set my font size to 100% in my body of the css and

Re: [WSG] CSS foul-up in IE. Trying to implement Myers pure css pop-up code

2005-12-14 Thread morten fjellman
I would just like to share the solution to my problem.div#menu a:hover {border-right:0;}I do not understand why this makes IE show the hover text, but it does so I guess I'm happy. If anyone knows why it works please let me now. Otherwise just tuck it into the IE is weird category for future

[WSG] Background position

2005-12-14 Thread Bruce
CSS rules state clearly background-position vertical and horizontal settings. I can get a backgound anyplace from center to far right, but cannot get it any distance from the top??? Is there any reason a backgound would not position with any values to be down a certain distance from the top? body

Re: [WSG] CSS foul-up in IE. Trying to implement Myers pure css pop-up code

2005-12-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
morten fjellman wrote: I would just like to share the solution to my problem. div#menu a:hover { border-right:0; } I do not understand why this makes IE show the hover text, but it does so I guess I'm happy. If anyone knows why it works please let me now. Otherwise just tuck it into the IE

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-14 Thread Bob Schwartz
Al, Since, my whole point has been that using a simple layout table, as opposed to a nested monstrosity, can sometimes be a good thing I'm glad you are championing my original cause, which somehow got way off course in the thread. Not only can a simple table be a good thing, it is still

Re: [WSG] li background image

2005-12-14 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
A trick I've used, though some may not care for this especially, is to use padding on the top and bottom, such as: HTML: ullia href=#My Link/a/li/ul CSS: (going for 25 pixels high) li{height:25px;} li a{font-size:12px;padding-top:6px;padding-bottom:6px;} Usually its works great, so long as

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-14 Thread Stuart Homfray
Bob Schwartz wrote: I had hoped for some real solutions when I posted my original two cents, but none came. I can only conclude there are none, yet. I did think more than Rimantas would pop-up with a quick answer for your question, Bob: Which browser can correctly render the

Re: [WSG] CSS and the University Syllabus

2005-12-14 Thread Terrence Wood
Paula Petrik said: Using caption seems to pose difficulties. What difficulties does the caption pose? This is an interesting point because, in my experience, people have issues with captions *only* becuase they are used to using a heading when preparing documents in Word which doesn't have

Re: [WSG] positive-discrimination === not positive and IMG properties

2005-12-14 Thread Ben Curtis
On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Ric Jude Raftis wrote: Alt attribute content only provides tool tips in IE because it is a non-compliant browser. They do not display in other browsers. The title attribute however, does display in Firefox, but not sure about Opera et al. On my tests,

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-14 Thread Terrence Wood
Bob Schwartz said: I had hoped for some real solutions when I posted my original two cents, but none came. I can only conclude there are none, yet. Here's an easy solution: don't create designs that look like they're from 1998 (e.g the 2-col cnet yellow stripe and it's ilk)... there are so

Re: [WSG] li background image

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/14/05, Nathan Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. It does in fact make the lines higher, but it simple ads more 'space' at the top of the text, not actaully adding it to the top AND the bottom. It also does nothing to make the image display at its full height. Damn. Any other

RE: [WSG] CSS and the University Syllabus

2005-12-14 Thread Ted Drake
I'm using a series of definition lists for my syllabus: http://www.tdrake.net/palomar/100-schedule.html Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paula Petrik Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject:

RE: [WSG] positive-discrimination === not positive and IMG properties

2005-12-14 Thread Rebecca Cox
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Curtis Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 7:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] positive-discrimination === not positive and IMG properties so I wrote an htc called Alt Destroyer that

Re: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Terrence Wood
AFAIK the flash portion of this site was developed with the help of MM to make it accessible for screen readers. They *do* offer a text-only version so yes, they can claim to be accessible. kind regards Terrence Wood. Felicity Farr said: Read the article:

RE: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Felicity Farr
I love the attitude of the big players...provide a text alternative and it's instantly accessible. It's a great message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:25 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

RE: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
The fact that the text-only version fails basic checkpoints is very disappointing however. I don't know about the rest of you but I certaily let them know my feelings via email. Strength in numbers and all that. There's been a lot of MM propaganda around of late with regards to high-profile

Re: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Jared Smith
Felicity Farr wrote: I love the attitude of the big players...provide a text alternative and it's instantly accessible. ...and a direct violation of US Section 508: A text-only page, with equivalent information or functionality, shall be provided to make a web site comply with the provisions

Re: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Stephen Stagg
Jared Smith wrote: Felicity Farr wrote: I love the attitude of the big players...provide a text alternative and it's instantly accessible. ...and a direct violation of US Section 508: A text-only page, with equivalent information or functionality, shall be provided to make a web site comply

Re: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/14/05, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK the flash portion of this site was developed with the help of MM to make it accessible for screen readers. They *do* offer a text-only version so yes, they can claim to be accessible. Let's put this into perspective: - Macromedia

[WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on this one. I want to centre align text and justify it at the same time. I've applied the following mark-up which, surprisingly, does the trick. But can justify be applied as an optional extra parameter, or does this just work

Re: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Stephen Stagg wrote: Jared Smith wrote: Felicity Farr wrote: I love the attitude of the big players...provide a text alternative and it's instantly accessible. ... I'm no lawyer, but it sounds to me like using a text-only page as an excuse for otherwise inaccessible content is a violation.

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Herrod, Lisa
what are you applying it to? a heading or a paragraph of text? -Original Message- From: Paul Noone To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: 15/12/05 14:18 Subject: [WSG] Justify this Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on this one. I want to centre align text

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Sorry. A paragraph. Don't ask me why I'm trying this eitherlet's just call it an exercise. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 2:30 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org ' Subject: RE: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Paul Noone wrote: Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on this one. No, they are usually always helpful but you need to know what you're looking for. I want to centre align text and justify it at the same time. I've applied the following mark-up which,

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Lachlan, Thanks for that but I was actually wanting to center align justified text for a particular purpose. Evidently my experiment is invalid. Thanks anyway. -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Justified text really isn't a good idea in terms of usability/readability. Maybe there was a conscious effort not to support it :) -Original Message- From: Paul Noone To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: 15/12/05 14:49 Subject: RE: [WSG] Justify this Hi Lachlan, Thanks for that but

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Everyone's a comedian today. :P T'was purely an aesthetic venture for a client and one which I'll now gladly leave behind. They're getting pre tags and they're just going to have to live with it. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod,

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Joshua Street
Really? Why not? I wouldn't have said that of justified text, but maybe my response is an aesthetic one rather than a conscious approach to readability. Is it something to do with not being able to find the line you were on at the end/beginning as easily? (And if we're going to go down this

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Herrod, Lisa
no, I'm a comedian every day, it's just that I don't post every day :P but seriously, are you adding paragraphs of justified text to the page...? (irrespective of which element you're using to mark up). -Original Message- From: Paul Noone To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: 15/12/05

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Herrod, Lisa
We're talking about paragraphs of text here. It's harder to read, presents 'rivers of white' running through the text as lines stretch and contract to fit the line. it's unnatural. it's probably unaustralian somewhere too :) some links: Rivers of white:

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Well, I've been interested in the whole justified text issue for a while and think Joshua raises an interesting point. I don't generally use it to style paragraphs because I personally don't like its appearance but I wasn't aware there were accessibility concerns. In this instance I was merely

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Richard Czeiger
In answer to your actual original question... Wouldn't it just involve setting the paragraphs container to padding: 0 3em; text-align: center; and then in the paragraph have something like text-align: justify; where 3em is the space on either side of the para to make it look centred. style

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Felicity Farr
Also good is Colin Wheildon paper - Communicating or just making pretty shapes. It's written for print but has some good stuff. It used to be available at: http://www.ianmc.com.au/articles/cojmps.pdf -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Kevin Futter
On 15/12/05 2:49 PM, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lachlan, Thanks for that but I was actually wanting to center align justified text for a particular purpose. Evidently my experiment is invalid. Thanks anyway. Justified text runs full-width and aligns to both left and right

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Al Sparber
From: Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I've been interested in the whole justified text issue for a while and think Joshua raises an interesting point. I don't generally use it to style paragraphs because I personally don't like its appearance but I wasn't aware there were accessibility

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Paul Noone wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Paul Noone wrote: I want to centre align text and justify it at the same time. I've applied the following mark-up which, surprisingly, does the trick. text-align:center justify; p { width: 50%; margin: 0 auto; text-align: justify; } Thanks for that

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Kevin, That's just another limitation of the parameter. Justified text actually comes in several flavours - left, right and both. I believe there are also settings to use it vertically to fill a box but I'm not even going to begin to paddle down that white river. ;) -- Paul A Noone

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Lachlan, My original question was intended to get a simple anser on the limitations and correct use of justify with text-align, not to open a whole can of worms on how else I might achive the result. I'll leave that discussion for anyone else who cares to pursue it. Thanks for all your

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Donna Jones
Al Sparber wrote: From: Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I've been interested in the whole justified text issue for a while and think Joshua raises an interesting point. I don't generally use it to style paragraphs because I personally don't like its appearance but I wasn't aware

Re: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 15 Dec 2005, at 2:15 pm, Al Sparber wrote: If you're into justified text, the only browsers that can do a reasonable job are IE5.5x+ Windows, using a proprietary property. The programming is pretty darn good. It's nearly as good as the NY Times, actually. But it ain't standards and