Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. I will
definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical to me that there
should be such a thing as a button, which can exist outside a form, which has
an HREF attribute or can be wrapped in an anchor. But if there
and the button element
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Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code.
I will definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical
to me that there should be such a thing as a button, which can exist
outside a form, which has
I adopted the use of the button element in an application I'm working
on, used like this:
a href=foo.htmlbuttonfoo/button/a
one main reason I liked buttons is that they can be disabled with an
attribute, which was useful for things like keeping a next button
everywhere, so that the layout
OK, I'll bite, what makes you say that there are no suitable microformats?
Where did you look?
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Just want to put in a plug for Radio National's coverage of this topic
so far:
The Media Report:
http://abc.net.au/rn/mediareport/stories/2008/2405376.htm
Australia Talks:
http://abc.net.au/rn/australiatalks/stories/2008/2419136.htm
Disclosure, RN is where I work.
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Just a quick note that if you're going to shorten
Do collaborative online groups need to be successful
to make a URL, it would be better, from the SEO viewpoint, to cut out
the common words, do, need, to etc. So, your URL would be
collaborative-online-groups-successful.html
not
I'd be interested in hearing recommendations for good standards-based
HTML and CSS training in the Sydney area.
I'm looking at MaxDesign's website, of course, but not seeing specific
dates for upcoming courses.
Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
The information
Just to point out something that hasn't been mentioned as far as I can
see -- of course, you can map file types to extensions on a webserver
however you like. You could set .JPG to serve as HTML if you wanted. The
original creators of Blogger, Pyra, used .pyra as their extension so I
have no idea
I've just spent a bit of time looking at how background-position works
when expressed as a percentage:
background-position: 90%;
and I'm wondering why it works the way it does.
Here's the best way I can describe the effect of (90%, x-axis)
positioning with percentages: to position the image
Does the coder need to be in London?
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Hi All London Standardistas!
Hope this little job
A website I was working on, client wants client-side
validation, something fancy, something Ajax.
The whole point of AJAX is that it's *not* client-side. It's both. So
your client is a little confused if they said that.
can I safely develop in non Mac versions and expect
my web sites to behave the same on the Mac?
Behave? Yes. But...
I don't think anyone's made this point yet -- one key difference between
the platforms is the display of form elements.
Elements like buttons and select menus and checkboxes,
It's rather off-topic, but more to the point it's impossible, and your
main task at this point is to explain to your client why even trying to
do it is pointless and silly. If they can see the text, the text is on
their computer.
As Andrew said, either they want their information on the web or
I don't know what's causing it, probably caching, but some of us in this
office now have a new, almost completely different version of the BBC
page, with no annoying colour changes, and some of us don't.
Shift-reload? Randomise the URL?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta/?noseriouslypleasereload
- I really don't like the clock; it's so 1990s - we all have a clock on
our computer/phone; I don't think it's needed.
I think you're missing the nostalgia, the aah factor embodied in that
clock -- British people have spent many *many* hours watching it.
Maybe it's just me, but this:
--
$type = $_GET['type'];
$fileName = $_GET['filename'] . . . $type;
$mimeType = application/$type;
if (strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE 5') or
strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'Opera 7')) $mimeType =
'application/x-download';
Let's say there's a big store called, er, Tegrat.
They have complaints about their website not being accessible, which
have gone on for some time and are now the subject of legal action.
We, the people on this list, know that it's not technically difficult,
and shouldn't be time-consuming or
There's one thing nobody has mentioned so far, which is Michelle Malkin
is what I personally would call an extreme right-winger. She's a regular
on Fox News, and she's been compared to Anne Coulter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Malkin
I find the idea that we'll drop her a polite,
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I don't mean to be difficult, but I'm always baffled by this question.
A CMS, presumably, outputs the code you tell it to output. Whether it
serves up accessible/valid is completely up to you.
To put it another way, a CMS which won't
I don't mean to be difficult, but I'm always baffled by this question.
A CMS, presumably, outputs the code you tell it to output. Whether it
serves up accessible/valid is completely up to you.
To put it another way, a CMS which won't allow you to output
standards-based code is by definition not
I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that
the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
often it's assumed that we're freelance too.
As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target
audience meaning e.g. that you're
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.
We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you
should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
* HTML
* CSS
*
i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the
same time it
would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money.
That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a
one-stop-shop? It's certainly a lot easier for the client, but how
good can
I think the inclusion of the postcodes in the tags is a little clunky,
and not very intuitive.
I've had no direct involvement with the makeover, but I happen to know
the reasoning behind the postcodes. There are a number of different
towns and cities with the same name all over Australia.
I recently came across two niggling CSS errors:
1)
body { background: url('image.gif')no-repeat top }
Here, the coder has left no whitespace after the URL in the shorthand
background declaration.
Firefox is OK with it, IE doesn't display the image.
2)
#right navbar
It's CSS validator. It doesn't validate cross-browser
compatability or the logic (or existence of) of HTML tags.
Well perhaps your second point is valid (and well formed) but this
example:
body { background: url('image.gif')no-repeat top }
isn't just about cross-browser compatiblity.
It's a nice idea, this know your market thing, and I'm sure it's
appropriate in a commercial context, but our market is *everyone*.
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I'm looking at a design involving image thumbnails and the instruction
to click images for larger version -- I have the idea that saying
click is wrong, or rather the assumption that everyone is using a
mouse is wrong.
So, how would you word this instruction, or otherwise inform users that
a
Interesting anecdote in the latest AlertBox, particularly in the light
of our recent users don't know what the back button is discussion...
In testing an e-commerce site last month, for example, one user
complained: This is missing a feature to go back to the previous
page.
I found this
Speaking of redesigns, http://www.newyorker.com/ is looking very nice
these days. Not a table in sight.
It doesn't quite validate due to some (presumably back-end-error)
weirdness:
misc:exposeBean var=platform bean=platform/
but other than that it looks like a good standards-based website.
So, just to get this straight, the statistic claiming that 30% of web
users don't know what the Back button does comes from
Characterizng Browsing Strategies in the World-Wide Web (1995).
Nineteen-ninety-FIVE?
Are we seriously going to keep quoting that study, conducted presumably
in 1994 and
Off-topic, in a way, but my heart sinks every time this question comes
up.
Because it comes up a lot.
I would guess that it's the most frequently asked, discussed and
argued-over question on this list. Do we have an FAQ?
One of my favourite stats is that 30% of
browser activity involves
Perhaps a logical definition of tabular data is data whose meaning is
defined by its position in a set of rows and columns?
[only makes sense in monospaced font]
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You've already got the answer, but I just wanted to note that:
all browser/platform combinations.
is a bit optimistic! All?
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? If it is, it's trivial to do it
with regular expression-type searching as you say. If not, it could
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// the window.location method used here
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which is ugly but makes sense.
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, but also smaller pages for faster
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of this that nobody's mentioned of course is that
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should earn one's living
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script
var msg=Don't Look Now;
/script
a href=# onclick=alert(msg)Don't Look Now/abr /
Very smart Bruce. The other method's more compact, but that's some
good lateral thinking.
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myfunction('Don't Look Now')
^
anyone got an explanation? Am I missing something obvious? It's the
same if I use #39; instead.
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Not stupid at all, but I checked that and no, it's all happening
via HTTP from a web server, no local paths involved.
If it's not too much trouble, could we see an URL? Ingo
It'd be no trouble at all, but it's all happening inside our network,
so it's not possible. You'll
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How about trying the same resolution so the rendering is the same?
Didn't think of that. Good point.
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many of us before!
Not stupid at all, but I checked that and no, it's all happening via
HTTP from a web server, no local paths involved.
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make any sense to say on a Mac. There are hundreds
of different browsers used on Apple computers, just as there are on
PCs. It's like saying it doesn't work on a Compaq.
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, it was fine.
Which led him to ask a very sensible question -- why isn't there some
kind of identifier like the DOCTYPE for CSS?
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the context menu -- what's the reason for
that?
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by the way, we've
recently cooked up a kind of semi-dynamic publishing method to save
multiple handling of the same story.
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vertical alignment as being directly related to
table-cell display either.
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but I'm guessing that the fact it's inside
style type=text/css media=all/style
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on, and they use and recommend Unicode here:
http://www.vps.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=91 so they're solidly on
board with standards too.
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roman letters. So I can set the whole
page to be vietnamese I guess and it won't stop the English being
English... Or would that cause a problem?
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and it just says that it's the correct behaviour, although some
browsers don't respect it. It doesn't offer a rationale.
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, for
instance a SELECT menu. The value of none can be the default, and
your script can chuck an error if it sees none submitted.
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Just put the H3 before the list begins!
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syntax allows you to do
that too.
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There's no background colour for the BODY, it appears. Was that deliberate?
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at least eliminate that from
your testing.
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work-experience
person!
Hope that encourages you to try for internal standards-based validation,
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So when I came to naming my blog, Sara, who by the time people read
this will be my wife ...
is it off-topic to say congratulations?
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frames fit into the overall
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indistinguishable from navigation to another page.
These are not the kind of users who will look down at the taskbar and
notice a second window icon for IE and figure it out for themselves.
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recommend? Does this design, for instance, require
relative, not absolute positioning?
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and Netscape 4 compatible, which seems
miraculous, considering.
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What about http://www.sitepoint.com ?
That's as complicated a structure as any I've seen, and almost
completely table-less.
That's a particularly good example, because it uses no tables to lay
out the page, but right at the bottom where they've got a list of
data, best displayed using rows and
If I want to find solid building blocks for a table-free layout,
where should I start?
I mean, I know there are hundreds of websites, but the
recommendations of this group ought to be particularly useful.
The thing is, I want a lot! In terms of the page, I'm simply looking for
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