Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS conflict with MAID?

2008-06-16 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Thursday, June 12, 2008, 6:54:29 AM, you wrote: RE Oracle bails out after 10 minutes (ORA-27062) ask me how I know... :-P So how do you know? -- Best regards, Robert Milkowskimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-16 Thread Erik Trimble
One thing I should mention on this is that I've had _very_ bad experience with using single-LUN ZFS filesystems over FC. that is, using an external SAN box to create a single LUN, export that LUN to a FC-connected host, then creating a pool as follows: zpool create tank LUN_ID It works fine,

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and Automount/Hal/fstyp

2008-06-16 Thread Matthew Gardiner
Hi, I've got an external hard disk and I've done the stuff with zpool - so its all working. The problem I have, however, is whether it is possible to actually set it up so that zfs devices mount just like cd's and drives formatted as fat. ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread Matthew Gardiner
I've got a couple of identical old sparc boxes running nv90 - one on ufs, the other zfs. Everything else is the same. (SunBlade 150 with 1G of RAM, if you want specifics.) The zfs root box is significantly slower all around. Not only is initial I/O slower, but it seems much less

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
I've got a couple of identical old sparc boxes running nv90 - one on ufs, the other zfs. Everything else is the same. (SunBlade 150 with 1G of RAM, if you want specifics.) The zfs root box is significantly slower all around. Not only is initial I/O slower, but it seems much less

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to identify zpool version

2008-06-16 Thread Brian H. Nelson
Peter Hawkins wrote: Can zpool on U3 be patched to V4? I've applied the latest cluster and it still seems to be V3. Yes, you can patch your way up to the Sol 10 U4 kernel (or even U5 kernel) which will give you zpool v4 support. The particular patch you need is 120011-14 or 120012-14

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Problems under vmware

2008-06-16 Thread Anthony Worrall
I am seeing the same problem using a seperate virtual disk for the pool. This is happening with Solaris 10 U3, U4 and U5 SCSI reservations is know to be an issue with clustered solaris http://blogs.sun.com/SC/entry/clustering_solaris_guests_that_run I wonder if this is the same problem. Maybe

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that if you notice the common thread; those who run SPARC's are having performance issues vs. those who are running x86. Not that simple. I'm seeing performance issues on x86 just as much as sparc. My sparc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Accessing zfs partitions on HDD from LiveCD

2008-06-16 Thread Fat Ted
Answer is: # zpool import (which will pick up the zpool on the HDD and lists its name and id) # zpool import rpool (rpool is default opensolaris zpool) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Mirror Problem

2008-06-16 Thread Matthew C Aycock
Well, I have a zpool created that contains four vdevs. Each Vdev is a mirror of a T3B lun and a corresponding lun of a SE3511 brick. I did this since I was new with ZFS and wanted to ensure that my data would survive an array failure. It turns out that I was smart for doing this :) I had a

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:21:26 +0100 Peter Tribble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The *real* common thread is that you need ridiculous amounts of memory to get decent performance out of ZFS That's FUD. Older systems might not have enough memory, but newer ones can't hardly be bought with less then

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Deferred Frees

2008-06-16 Thread Torrey McMahon
I'm doing some simple testing of ZFS block reuse and was wondering when deferred frees kick in. Is it on some sort of timer to ensure data consistency? Does an other routine call it? Would something as simple as sync(1M) get the free block list written out so future allocations could use the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Problems under vmware

2008-06-16 Thread Anthony Worrall
Added an vdev using rdm and that seems to be stable over reboots however the pools based on a virtual disk now also seems to be stable after doing an export and import -f This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

[zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Hi, zpool does not to create a pool on USB disk (formatted in FAT32). # /usr/sbin/zpool create alpha c5t0d0p0 cannot open '/dev/dsk/c5t0d0p0': Device busy or # /usr/sbin/zpool create alpha /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0p0 cannot use '/dev/rdsk/c5t0d0p0': must be a block device or regular file What is gonna

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:10:14 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zpool does not to create a pool on USB disk (formatted in FAT32). It's already been formatted. Try zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxce snv90 ++

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:10:14 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zpool does not to create a pool on USB disk (formatted in FAT32). It's already been formatted. Try zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 The same story # /usr/sbin/zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 cannot

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:23:35 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same story # /usr/sbin/zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 cannot open '/dev/dsk/c5t0d0p0': Device busy Are you sure you're not on that device? Are you also sure your usb stick is called c5t0d0p0? What does rmformat (as

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:23:35 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same story # /usr/sbin/zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 cannot open '/dev/dsk/c5t0d0p0': Device busy Are you sure you're not on that device? Are you also sure your usb stick is called c5t0d0p0? What

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Neal Pollack
Andrius wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:10:14 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zpool does not to create a pool on USB disk (formatted in FAT32). It's already been formatted. Try zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 The same story #

[zfs-discuss] ?: 1/2 Billion files in ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Steffen Weiberle
Has anybody stored 1/2 billion small ( 50KB) files in a ZFS data store? If so, any feedback in how many file systems [and sub-file systems, if any] you used? How were ls times? And insights in snapshots, clones, send/receive, or restores in general? How about NFS access? Thanks Steffen

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-16 Thread Vincent Fox
I'm not sure why people obsess over this issue so much. Disk is cheap. We have a fair number of 3510 and 2540 on our SAN. They make RAID-5 LUNs available to various servers. On the servers we take RAID-5 LUNs from different arrays and ZFS mirror them. So if any array goes away we are still

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Neal Pollack wrote: Andrius wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:10:14 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zpool does not to create a pool on USB disk (formatted in FAT32). It's already been formatted. Try zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0 The same story

[zfs-discuss] Problem with missing disk in RaidZ

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Hawkins
Thanks to the help in a previous post I have imported my pool. However I would appreciate some help with my next problem. This all arose because my motherboard failed while my zpool was resilvering from a failed disk. I moved the disks to a new motherboard and imported the pool with the help

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:38:11 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The device is on, but it is empty. It is not a stick, it is a mobile hard disk Iomega 160 GB. Like Neal writes: check if the drive is mounted. Do a df -h Unmount it if neccessary (umount /dev/dsk/c5t0d0) and then do a zpool

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Neal Pollack
Andrius wrote: Neal Pollack wrote: Andrius wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:10:14 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zpool does not to create a pool on USB disk (formatted in FAT32). It's already been formatted. Try zpool create -f alpha c5t0d0p0

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:00:59 +0200 dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unmount it if neccessary (umount /dev/dsk/c5t0d0) Should be /dev/dsk/c5t1d0 -- -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxce snv90 ++ ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:04:08 +0200 dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should be /dev/dsk/c5t1d0 -- Sh***t! No it should not. rmformat showed c5t0d0, didn't it? So be careful. A typo is quickly made (see my msgs) ;-) -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ +

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Miles Nordin wrote: a == Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a # umount /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0p0 maybe there is another problem, too, but this is wrong. type 'df -k' as he suggested and use the device or pathname listed there. This is end of df -k /vol/dev/dsk/c5t0d0/unnamed_rmdisk:c

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:54:04 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is true, disc is detected automatically. But # umount /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0p0 umount: warning: /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0p0 not in mnttab umount /dev/dsk/c5t0d0 should do it. The same # umount

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with missing disk in RaidZ

2008-06-16 Thread Eric Schrock
Try 'zpool replace'. - Eric On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:57:40AM -0700, Peter Hawkins wrote: Thanks to the help in a previous post I have imported my pool. However I would appreciate some help with my next problem. This all arose because my motherboard failed while my zpool was resilvering

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:10:18 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk umount /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk should do the trick It's probably also mounted on /media depending on your solaris version. If so, umount /media/unnamed_rmdisk unmounts the disk too. -- Dick Hoogendijk --

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:00:59 +0200 dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unmount it if neccessary (umount /dev/dsk/c5t0d0) Should be /dev/dsk/c5t1d0 -- Still the same # umount /dev/rdsk/c5t1d0 umount: warning: /dev/rdsk/c5t1d0 not in mnttab umount:

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:10:18 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk umount /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk should do the trick It's probably also mounted on /media depending on your solaris version. If so, umount /media/unnamed_rmdisk unmounts the disk

[zfs-discuss] RFE 4852783

2008-06-16 Thread Miles Nordin
Is RFE 4852783 (need for an equivalent to LVM2's pvmove) likely to happen within the next year? My use-case is home user. I have 16 disks spinning, two towers of eight disks each, exporting some of them as iSCSI targets. Four disks are 1TB disks already in ZFS mirrors, and 12 disks are 180 -

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Martin Winkelman
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:10:18 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk umount /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk should do the trick It's probably also mounted on /media depending on your solaris version. If so, umount

Re: [zfs-discuss] ?: 1/2 Billion files in ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Steffen Weiberle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody stored 1/2 billion small ( 50KB) files in a ZFS data store? If so, any feedback in how many file systems [and sub-file systems, if any] you used? I'm not quite there yet, although I have a thumper with about

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Martin Winkelman wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: dick hoogendijk wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:10:18 +0100 Andrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk umount /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk should do the trick It's probably also mounted on /media depending on your solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Martin Winkelman
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: # eject /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk No such file or directory # eject /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0s0 /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0s0 is busy (try 'eject floppy' or 'eject cdrom'?) # eject rmdisk /vol/dev/rdsk/c5t0d0/unnamed_rmdisk: Inappropriate ioctl for device # eject

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Martin Winkelman wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: # eject /rmdisk/unnamed_rmdisk No such file or directory # eject /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0s0 /dev/rdsk/c5t0d0s0 is busy (try 'eject floppy' or 'eject cdrom'?) # eject rmdisk /vol/dev/rdsk/c5t0d0/unnamed_rmdisk: Inappropriate ioctl for device #

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE 4852783

2008-06-16 Thread Neil Perrin
This is actually quite a tricky fix as obviously data and meta data have to be relocated. Although there's been no visible activity in this bug there has been substantial design activity to allow the RFE to be easily fixed. Anyway, to answer your question, I would fully expect this RFE would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM, dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:21:26 +0100 Peter Tribble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The *real* common thread is that you need ridiculous amounts of memory to get decent performance out of ZFS That's FUD. Older systems might not

Re: [zfs-discuss] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Paul Gress
Since Volume Management has control and eject didn't work, just turning off Volume Management will do the trick. # svcadm disable volfs Now you can remove it safely. Paul ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Paul Gress wrote: Since Volume Management has control and eject didn't work, just turning off Volume Management will do the trick. # svcadm disable volfs Now you can remove it safely. Paul Thanks! It works. Volume managagement is that thing that does not exist in zfs perhaps and made

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: Thanks! It works. Volume managagement is that thing that does not exist in zfs perhaps and made disk managemet more easy. Thanks for everybody for advices. Volume Manager should be off before creating pools in removable disks. Probably it will work to

[zfs-discuss] questions about ZFS Send/Receive

2008-06-16 Thread Stefano Pini
Hi guys, we are proposing a customer a couple of X4500 (24 Tb) used as NAS (i.e. NFS server). Both server will contain the same files and should be accessed by different clients at the same time (i.e. they should be both active) So we need to guarantee that both x4500 contain the same

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:04:47 +0100 Peter Tribble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hogwash. What is the reasonable minimum? I'm suspecting it's well over 2G. 2Gb is perfectly alright. And as for being unable to get machines with less than 2G, just look at Sun's price list I'm not saying you can't

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE 4852783

2008-06-16 Thread Tim
Why would you have to buy smaller disks? You can replace the 320's with 1tb drives and after the last 320 is out of the raidgroup, it will grow automatically. On 6/16/08, Miles Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is RFE 4852783 (need for an equivalent to LVM2's pvmove) likely to happen within

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: Thanks! It works. Volume managagement is that thing that does not exist in zfs perhaps and made disk managemet more easy. Thanks for everybody for advices. Volume Manager should be off before creating pools in removable disks.

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Rich Teer
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: After commenting # kill -HUP 'pgrep vold' kill: invalid id We're in the 21st century, so # pkill -HUP vold should work just fine. -- Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA CEO, My Online Home Inventory URLs: http://www.rite-group.com/rich

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Lida Horn
Andrius wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: Thanks! It works. Volume managagement is that thing that does not exist in zfs perhaps and made disk managemet more easy. Thanks for everybody for advices. Volume Manager should be off before creating pools in

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andrius wrote: After commenting # kill -HUP 'pgrep vold' kill: invalid id It looks like you used forward quotes rather than backward quotes. I did just try this procedure myself with my own USB drive and it works fine. Bob

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Brian H. Nelson
Andrius wrote: That is true, but # kill -HUP `pgrep vold` usage: kill [ [ -sig ] id ... | -l ] I think you already did this as per a previous message: # svcadm disable volfs As such, vold isn't running. Re-enable the service and you should be fine. -Brian

Re: [zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] USB hard to ZFS

2008-06-16 Thread Andrius
Brian H. Nelson wrote: Andrius wrote: That is true, but # kill -HUP `pgrep vold` usage: kill [ [ -sig ] id ... | -l ] I think you already did this as per a previous message: # svcadm disable volfs As such, vold isn't running. Re-enable the service and you should be fine. -Brian

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| I guess I find it ridiculous you're complaining about ram when I can | purchase 4gb for under 50 dollars on a desktop. | | Its not like were talking about a 500 dollar purchase. 'On a desktop' is an important qualification here. Server RAM is more expensive, and then you get to multiply it by

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-16 Thread Tim
Remind me again what a veritas license is. If you can't find ram for less than that you need to find a new var/disti On 6/16/08, Chris Siebenmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I guess I find it ridiculous you're complaining about ram when I can | purchase 4gb for under 50 dollars on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Mirror Problem

2008-06-16 Thread Richard Elling
Matthew C Aycock wrote: Well, I have a zpool created that contains four vdevs. Each Vdev is a mirror of a T3B lun and a corresponding lun of a SE3511 brick. I did this since I was new with ZFS and wanted to ensure that my data would survive an array failure. It turns out that I was smart

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with missing disk in RaidZ

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Hawkins
Tried zpool replace. Unfortunately that takes me back into the cycle where as soon as the resilver starts the system hangs, not even CAPS Lock works. When I reset the system I have about a 10 second window to detach the device again to get the system back before it freezes. Finally detached it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Mirror Problem

2008-06-16 Thread Erik Trimble
Richard Elling wrote: Matthew C Aycock wrote: Well, I have a zpool created that contains four vdevs. Each Vdev is a mirror of a T3B lun and a corresponding lun of a SE3511 brick. I did this since I was new with ZFS and wanted to ensure that my data would survive an array failure. It

[zfs-discuss] LSAI SAS SATA card and MB comptability questions?

2008-06-16 Thread Aaron Moore
Hello, I am new to open solaris and am trying to setup a ZFS based storage solution. I am looking at setting up a system with the following specs: Intel BOXDG33FBC Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz 2 or 4 GB ram For the drives I am looking at using a LSI SAS3081E-R I've been reading around and it

Re: [zfs-discuss] LSAI SAS SATA card and MB comptability questions?

2008-06-16 Thread James C. McPherson
Aaron Moore wrote: I am new to open solaris and am trying to setup a ZFS based storage solution. I am looking at setting up a system with the following specs: Intel BOXDG33FBC Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz 2 or 4 GB ram For the drives I am looking at using a LSI SAS3081E-R I've been