On Thu, Jan 4 2024 at 09:30:05 -08:00:00, Steve Langasek
<steve.langa...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 04, 2024 at 08:28:28AM -0800, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
On 1/4/2024 8:21 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > With my flavor lead hat on, as far as I know, there's not a
single
> > official community flavor that is running their own mirror,
> <https://xubuntu.org/download/>
If you investigate those mirrors, those are *not* run by the
individual
flavor. In fact, they seem to be pointing mostly at whole mirrors of
cdimage.ubuntu.com, and in most cases, those providers are also
mirroring
releases.ubuntu.com. So, sadly, those are not mirrors done *by* the
flavor,
which means that argument is invalid.
The very first mirror in the list is
<https://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/xubuntu/releases/22.04/release/>,
which is a
xubuntu-specific mirror and not a full mirror of cdimage.u.c. So
they are
distributing the Xubuntu ISOs without distributing the source ISOs.
They ALSO happen to be providing a full mirror of the Ubuntu archive
at
<https://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ubuntu/archive/> so in effect are
meeting
the GPL source distribution requirements without the source ISOs.
The second mirror in the list,
<http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/xubuntu/22.04/release/>, is
similar.
So is the third, <http://ubuntu.ipacct.com/xubuntu/22.04/release/>.
And to the best of my knowledge, we do not maintain any official list
of
cdimage.u.c mirrors in Launchpad, unlike the mirrors for
releases.u.c; so
this is de facto a per-flavor mirror list regardless.
So yes, there are existing per-flavor mirrors that are distributing
binary
ISOs; they are not mirroring the source ISOs; and no one is
complaining.
The ones I've checked also happen to have an Ubuntu archive mirror
alongside, so are effectively meeting the GPL source distribution
requirements without the source ISOs (whether by design or accident, I
cannot say).
I believe you're missing my entire point. These mirrors may or may not
be set-up by the flavors themselves, and the providers could just be
fans of the flavors. You can't make assumptions that the flavors
themselves are providing them. Xubuntu, in particular, has a very wide
fanbase.
I would like to point out though that one of those linked mirrors on
https://xubuntu.org/downloads also provides
https://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntustudio/releases/23.10/release/,
which I certainly didn't set-up and I highly doubt any of my
predecessors did either. However, per the GPL, I can't stop them, and I
have no reason to. Albiet that's a mirror of all of cdimage.ubuntu.com,
and the same company mirrors both releases.ubuntu.com and
archive.ubuntu.com, therefore, as you mentioned, meeting the
requirements of the GPL by haiving the sources.
And de-facto per-flavor mirror list of cdimage.u.c or not, especially
if the flavors themselves didn't coordinate it, you can't put that on
the flavors as they don't maintain them. However, I would put that list
on xubuntu.org squarely on Xubuntu for maintaining, but fact of the
matter is they just might happen to know where to find mirrored images,
nothing more. However, I cannot speak for Xubuntu, so I'll admit I'm
making an assumption here, but Xubuntu does not speak for the other
flavors in this case.
That said, I'm not interested in bikeshedding this any further. My
entire point was that when there's a decision involved where it affects
flavors, flavors MUST have a say.
--
Erich Eickmeyer
Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu
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