The billet did not stop making energy. He stopped it to re-build. There was no 
radiation observed with alpha, beta and gamma detectors.Also we had 3 kinds of 
neutron detectors reading nothing above background


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From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:14 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

>From what Brian Ahern said, the magnetic billet he used ran out of energy 
>after two years. If this depletion is the case, then there must be some 
>consumable involved in the power production process. It is my belief that 
>there is a single cause for LENR. This cause involves transmutation and the 
>resultant transfer of energy from the nucleus during the LENR reaction.

The whole cloth production of electrons in these various LENR systems must be 
caused by the release of mesons from the nucleus.

Brian Ahern should test a small piece of this magnetic billet to see if he can 
detect any transmutation that has occurred in it.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Chris Zell 
<chrisz...@wetmtv.com<mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com>> wrote:
When all is said and done, wouldn’t it be true that there is a choice as to 
considering the primary source of these energies?  Either you are removing 
energy primarily from nuclei – and thereby transmuting them into something else 
(which preserves energy conservation/TD)

Or you’re removing energy primarily from electron spins or orbits – without 
transmutation of the nuclei – and that contradicts conservation/TD.
I don’t see how this gain would be otherwise – and if derived from spin or 
orbit, then non-rotary energy as jitter/ZPE would be eliminated as the source.  
An exception to TD and such if therein………

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