So now we rely on conspiracy theories when the technology cannot be made to 
work.


Occam's Razor would suggest an inability of the  inventor, not his government 
agents acting ill.


Over 90% of folks who believe in UFOs also subscribe to conspiracy theories. 
They need to to explain the 100% lack of any UFO evidence.


My guess is that Rossi supporters are also UFO buffs.


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From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Papp engine and cavitation


MORE INFORMATION:



http://worldnpa.org/abstracts/abstracts_paperlink_6835.pdf

The Revolutionary Plasma Power Technology of Josef 
Papp<http://worldnpa.org/abstracts/abstracts_paperlink_6835.pdf>
worldnpa.org
The Revolutionary Plasma Power Technology of Josef Papp Barry Springer NPA Web 
Seminar November 24, 2012 Updated April 7, 2013





It seems the FBI raided the Company developing the Papp engine in 2013 and the 
Government took the technology in to the dark IMHO.



TOO BAD.



I wonder if the company has been charged with a crime? Or merely given an order 
curtailing their ability to communicate—i.e., speak.  They (the real people 
affected) should check with the ACLU.



The reported raid sounds typical of a shady attempt to curtail R&D.



Bob Cook



Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Papp engine and cavitation



The following may help understanding:



http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/PappEngine-Valone.pdf



Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:05 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Papp engine and cavitation



•        One of the big mysteries of the Papp engine is understanding the Papp 
engine fuel preparation device. What does that device do and why is it 
important to the function of the Papp engine? All the Papp engine replicators 
have discounted the need to use this fuel prep device and try to get the Papp 
engine to work without prepared fuel. Papp knew that prepared fuel was 
critically important to getting the engine to work. Three months before his 
death in 1989, Papp destroyed all the fuel he had prepared so that no one could 
ever get his engine to work ever again. The engine laid useless inside his 
workshop. That engine was his alone forever and could never be shared with the 
world.



The cavitation theory of the Papp engine provides the reason why fuel 
preparation is essential. A intense shock wave is required to form the ultra 
dense crystal nature of the fuel in the alternate paired cylinder. Without that 
shockwave, active fuel cannot be formed. The fuel preparation device produced 
ultra dense water and latter in the fuel to act as a bootstrap or initial 
plasma shock wave so that cavitation could occur in the paired cylinder. 
Without that first shock wave, recurring fuel formation does not begin in the 
alternate cylinder when the compression of the water vapor/gas is underway.



Papp used this prepared fuel to disintegrate a 5/8 inch stainless steel pipe 
when he demoed his Papp common in the desert.



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On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am beginning to understand that the Papp engine was a cavitation based device.



In the 1960's Papp used water for his fuel. Papp must have produced water 
crystals in the compression part of the cylinder cycle where the volume of the 
cylinder was decreasing. During this increasing pressure environment inside the 
cylinder, cavitation bubbles must have formed thereby producing ultra dense 
water crystals.



For example, some larger diesel engines suffer from cavitation due to high 
compression and undersized cylinder walls. Vibrations of the cylinder wall 
induce alternating low and high pressure in the coolant against the cylinder 
wall. The result is pitting of the cylinder wall, which will eventually let 
cooling fluid leak into the cylinder and combustion gases to leak into the 
coolant.



To stop the cavitation based erosion of the cylinder walls and the subsequent 
loss of compression over time, Papp went to noble gases which produce ultra 
dense noble gas crystals during the compression stage of the cylinder cycle but 
the formation of ultra dense noble gas crystals did not damage the cylinder 
walls.



When Papp fired a spark, the ultra dense noble gas crystals exploded as happens 
in the Holmlid experiment when the ultra dense hydrogen cycltals produce atomic 
particle fragments that move outward at 3/4 the speed of light. Currently, 
Holmlid does not capture that huge amount of energy inherent to his expanding 
plasma.



To utilize the energy in the expanding plasma, Holmlid might capture that 
nuclear powered expanding plasma as Papp once did in an engine design using 
ultra dense hydrogen as fuel.






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