On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Axil-- > > Where did you find the information about the use of TETA? If it is in > the third party report details, it seems those are only available with a > NDA. > I looked into the metal separation technology that Jackob Aganyan of Solar Hydrogen Trends(JA) said his system sprang from. Without exception, this mining technology requires the use of TETA or a similar amine to perform the metal separation. The presence of nitrogen in the gas output is indicative that he speculation of this "secret sauce" is on track. JA says he cannot understand where the nitrogen is coming from, but that is a statement to cover the secret of his secret sauce. When Rossi discovered nickel produced his reaction during his initial revelatory experiment, nickel remains a mainstay of his reaction. I speculate the same is true for TETA or another similar amine, but I could be wrong, time will tell. > > It (TETA) does not show up in the cover page of the full report and > Sterling Alan, regarding his interview with SHT, does not mention it, TMK. > > Alan only seems to think H2O is used up. The interview with SHT does > question the source of N, however, it is dismissed by SHT as being a > contamination from an unknown source. I did not see or hear anything in > the interview that addressed the Ar. > > It seems I must be missing some of the report in the link you provided or > not have fully digested the interview with SHT. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2014 10:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen? > > > Take a look at the third party test results. > > > http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_Solar-Hydrogen-Trends_revolutionizing-all-energy/SHT_performance%20_test.pdf > > I could not find how long this test ran. > > > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:07 AM, <mix...@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 2 May 2014 16:28:20 -0400: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> How much energy does it take to make TETA? Its an old radioactive >> >> chelating agent and not cheap used in decontamination. However, it >> >> production costs may have improved since the time we used it >> >> >> > >> >US $20-22 / *Liter* *( FOB Price)* >> >800 Liters *(Min. Order)* >> > >> >The economic flaw in this system is the cost of the consumables. >> >> I wonder if they have taken into account all possible sources of energy >> in the >> system? The temperatures available during cavitation would likely >> catalyze any >> chemical reaction that was energetically possible, and then there is the >> energy >> from ultrasound generators etc. as well. >> I don't expect that the latter would contribute much, however the chemical >> energy could be considerable. I would like to see a proper accounting, >> especially given the claim that they can get 1 kg H2 from 1 kg H2O. That >> claim >> is most likely a simple mistake, but might be true if the Hydrogen is also >> coming from other chemicals in the mix. >> In order for it to be true for only water, they would have to be >> converting all >> the Oxygen into Hydrogen too, which apparently is what they believe is >> happening. If so, then they are being extraordinarily wasteful. In order >> to >> split Oxygen into Hydrogen you need to supply roughly the binding energy >> of >> Oxygen which is about 127,000,000 eV. Having spent 127,000,000 eV >> converting >> Oxygen into Hydrogen, they then get back about 12 eV in chemical energy, >> when >> the Hydrogen is burnt using atmospheric oxygen, about 1 part in 10 >> million of >> the energy input. They might do better to find a means of tapping the >> original >> energy source more directly. ;) >> >> Regards, >> >> Robin van Spaandonk >> >> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html >> >> >
