Along this line of thought...If dark matter and energy are real they must have mass distributed throughout space. Perhaps it is possible to push this mass backwards by some electromagnetic process and thereby conserve the momentum overall. It is not clear to me how one can push something that he can not feel, and it seems equally weird to understand exactly what happens if you send some of this dark material into motion. Do we see any effect in nature by observation of the universe to suggest that anything like this is remotely possible? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 1, 2014 12:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive
I suggested something like negative gravity. The force that NASA has stumbled onto could be the force produced causing the expansion of the universe. If there is a process that produces RF all over the universe, it could be pushing matter in opposition to the attractive force of gravity. We might connect this dark energy force to LENR as a prodigious producer of RF energy as a NMR active reaction of the vacuum to the production of ubiquitous cosmological magnetism. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:38 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: What if the drive fields are able to make virtual particles become real ones that can be directed backwards? At first thought, that might keep the conservation laws intact. Is this what you are suggesting Axil? This seems like a large stretch. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 9:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive The Eugene Podkletnov anti gravity theory is based on rotating magnetic fields. The connection might be that RF is produced by rotating electrons. The microwave vibrations will induce spin rotation in the matter that fills space and that might include the spins of virtual particles emerging from the vacuum. A household microwave heats water by rotating the water molecules in the food. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: There is an intriguing cross-connection between two other controversial lines of anti-gravity experiment: Eugene Podkletnov (mentioned in the Wired article) and Claude Poher (not mentioned). Here is a review of Poher’s superconductor. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1101/1101.2419.pdf NASA has reportedly confirmed an effect of reactionless acceleration with Poher’s device, but nothing turns up to verify that, on a quick google search. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Poher Here is a technology that can unite all three phenomena… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_radio_frequency From: Alain Sepeda this is the 3rd test, done with different metrology, and with many cross checking documented on EmDrive (like changing turn...)…he have good hint, no more... about the theory the idea that the EmDrive is surfing, rowing, sculling on the virtual particles of the void is the most reasonable I've heard. David Roberson: I have a hangup about the conservation of momentum that makes me skeptical of this device. My guess is that the thrust will be shown to be an error once everything is taken into account. The power to generate the large amount of RF must enter the device from somewhere and that is likely the root of the thrust. Eric Walker wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-spa ce-drive
