> I do not know what industry you work in but in every industry I have > worked in there is a great need for pixel precise layouts. > > When you go through 13 rounds of changes with a client and discuss > things like the letter spacing on single superscript letters then you > just might have to put in the odd hack.
Or it might be time to educate your client with regards to "the web is not print". What's next: discussions about exact colour matching, across all browsers? > Browsers render differently, and while we might all like to say that > hacks are bad and not needed I think that is a disservice to > people just > learning to use CSS-p for layouts. In terms of taming browser bugs when it comes to layouts, yes...hacks (clean CSS based workarounds, not ugly abuses of markup) are still required...although it's nicer if one can get away with not having to use them by reorganising the html (but I know, this is not always easy). > When I was learning css part of learning all the browser quirks was > learning how to get around them, but you cannot learn all > that at once > and sometimes you need to focus on learning part A properly > before you > move on to part B. Very true. I find that the best thing is to first concentrate on the standards-compliant, clean, ideal way of doing things (previewing the work in standards-compliant browsers), just to get the idea of the "bigger picture" of how things can and should be done. Only later should one tackle the special cases in which hacks are required. So, going from the general (the way it should be) to the specific (the few hacks you need to achieve the ideal way). > Clients and the many print trained art directors want pixel > precision... Again, part of the solution is educating the client. Heck, I've just had a long winded discussion with a company sub-contracting me to do a bit of web work, who kept saying "the pages need to all fit within the browser window...scrolling is bad". Patrick ________________________________ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ***************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *****************************************************
