-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > I'm ambivalent if I should waste my time or the time of any Linux coder. > Your choice.
> The latest mails I got offlist because of my unwanted suggestions on > other mailing lists, e.g. JACK dev list, are not only discrediting me, > but also MIDI. I wonder if developer of important basics, that means for > the kernel, ALSA and JACK are interested in fixing Jitter. Another issue They will need to be able to reproduce it on their systems. I know the APIC in your motherboard has issues, so you will have to at the top of your game when reporting bugs. > is, that they still deceive their self that Linux should be 100% > professional for recording, mixing and mastering. Until now no OS or See, there you go with flame bait. I would have thought that you would have learned by now. > digital stand alone equipment is 100% professional, there are still a > lot of studios using analogue equipment. Okay, I'm a blabber, but please > take a look at Wiki, e.g. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering: > A lot of stuff gets murdered in the final stages anyway, regardless of the equipment: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t27691.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ&annotation_id=annotation_836874&feature=iv http://www.geekrants.com/articles/mastering.html Just google for "mastering volume wars" to get more examples. > "There are mastering engineers who feel that digital technology, as of > 2007, has not progressed enough in quality to supersede analog > technology entirely. Many top mastering studios, including Bernie > Grundman Mastering (which has mastered 37 Grammy-nominated albums), and > Gateway Mastering, still embrace analog signal processing (such as > analog equalization) within the mastering process. Additionally, the > latest advances in analog mastering technology include 120V signal rails > for previously unavailable headroom of 150dB as well as frequency > response ranging from 3 Hz to 300 kHz.[citation needed] In order to > duplicate this frequency response in digital domain, a sampling rate of > at least 600 kHz would be required, by the Nyquist�Shannon sampling > theorem. However, it is pertinent that the extremes in this frequency > range (3 Hz - 300 kHz), are effectively inaudible, existing outside the > range of both the human ear and most professional microphones." > > This are the experiences I made when I was engineer for Brauner. I don't > think it's relevant for home-recording and I guess most of us will do > home-recording or semi-pro work, but facing the truth is important for > progress. The "pros" screw up regularly as well (see above). A bad tradesman blames his tools. The "truth" is, a gifted person could take flawed tools and make something beautiful. I don't actually buy in to the analogue vs digital debate. Between the gratuitous use of autotune and the volume wars, most of the "pro" produced stuff is crap IMO. > > Another issue that makes me feel pissed is, that it's not wanted to have > many users, because Linux isn't proprietary, but not to have many users > is the reason why hardware companies don't take enough care to fit to Linux. > It is actually way more complicated than this. Also complicating things is that a large number of ends users does not actually gain much in the Open Source community since something of value rarely comes from this group. In the proprietary world they at least pay, but in the open source world this does not occur with any regularity. As I see it, the only people who actually matter are contributers (coders, documenters, testers, financiers, etc.). This may piss you off, but I am a firm believer in TANSTAAFL. I know I said this earlier today, but I think it is worth repeating. > I wonder if > > 1. there is an interest to include a working MIDI, even if MIDI is e.g. For my uses of MIDI to date over the past decade, it does indeed work. Statements like this are inflammatory, but you know this. The problem is that you and I currently have a different definition of "working MIDI". You need to learn to engage others and get them to be excited about your vision. > "anachronistische Sondermuell" (anachronistical hazardous waste) like a > Linux coder wrote offlist. > This means very little to me. What I can say is that it seems that you did a very poor job in enrolling this "Linux coder" (whatever that means) in your cause. Until you learn how to do this, expect failure as this is how the world works, not just Open Source. > 2. there is an interest in facing the truth abaout digital recording and > digital recording using Linux . > What is this truth? Arbitrarily limitations imposed by my software (Cubase is 2.1, but Nuendo is 7.1, at least that was the situation when I left that world behind). This argument cuts both ways. Truth is a pretty dangerous word. It implies certainty which is a far more rare thing than you might think. I think you may have more success if you stay away from polarizing statements like this. Again, all you did is make some reference to some vague problem, and all that will happen is that you piss someone off. You may actually be experiencing a real problem, but statements like this do absolutely nothing except start flame wars, and get your reports ignored. If your goal is to get something fixed, *you* failed, not anyone else because failure is the only possible outcome when you say things like this. You know this because this is something like the 5th or 6th time we have had this exact conversation. You are wasting time, and I *know* that you can do better. > 3. there is an interest in making Linux popular enough to make companies > taking care about Linux, to get drivers. > All that can be done is being done here. Greg Kroah-Hartman even has an open invitation to hardware manufacturers offering to write drivers for them, even under an NDA. So, basically, he will find someone to write the driver, at no cost, willing to sign an NDA. No one else, not Apple, not Microsoft, not Windriver, not QNX, will do this. At the end of the day the manufacturers get to make that choice, and we get to choose what to buy. The ball is in their court. > *?* > > Some people like e.g. Rui are interested in solving MIDI jitter, but I > got more emails offline, that I'm not wanted and that MIDI per se is > unwanted, they say e.g. jitter makes MIDI becoming more natural. > In some cases this is actually true. I add random jitter to my hydrogen tracks. I think the key here is that we want to choose and control this as opposed to having it always present, unless of course the underlying hardware is the fault. > Is there a chance for Linux audio and MIDI? > I am confidant that if there is a problem, it will get fixed. Again, you say things in exactly the wrong way if your goal is to actually help make things better. It is possible that no one is actually interested in fixing MIDI problems. I do not believe this to be the case, but the developers of all these projects do get to choose what they work on. If they make choices different from what you would like, you have several choices available to you, such as going elsewhere, offering a bounty for certain goals/tasks/bugs, sweet talking a developer into changing their minds. I am sure that someone as creative as you can think of even more. > By the way, I also get a lot of emails offlist from users who still use > Linux for day-to-day work, but not for audio work any more, they changed > to Apple or Microsoft. > Their choice. Anecdotal evidence is not useful. If something is not working for them, and they are not willing to put any effort in to helping resolve the issue, then why should they expect someone else to fix their problems for them? Again remember that you want someone else to make something work for you, for free, on their own time. The key is to get them to *want* to help you. You have consistently failed in this regard, and yes this failure is yours. This is part of that responsibility thing I keep telling you about. > Why is there the need to talk about that offlist and keep up appearances > on the lists? > I am willing to speak on the record. I cannot say why others would choose not to. You would have to ask them. I do not believe that appearances are being kept as you put it. More accurately I would say that I see no evidence to suggest this. If people are keeping their thoughts to themselves, what do they expect? Nothing is going to change unless people participate. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAko+Oy8ACgkQwRXgH3rKGfNezwCeK+WwVj29s+n6KCLo96WYCKxP 8FkAoJsu8orSqqYAiD5DT7cClojr6sS6 =Flq9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ 64studio-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users
