On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 01:26:31AM +0100, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] 
wrote:

> Besides, you gotta remember, that the USRP is a very expensive piece of kit,
> and just having one might not be enough depending on what you need it for.
> See Sylvain's earlier post reply for a good explaination about this.
> 
> Personally, I think it would be a really cool idea to start up work shops
> which would look primarily at extracting the transceivers out of
> cheap/unwanted handsets, and putting them to a good use. It would certainly
> be a lot more fun than just paying for the hardware :)

Well, you can try to look at the work that we've been doing as part of
OsmocomBB (http://bb.osmocom.org/).  We've done all the code you need to
drive the transceiver of the TI Calypso chipset (TRF6151 / Rita), the 
analog baseband (TWL3025 / Iota) and the digital baseband (Calypso /
HERCROM400G2).

Next problem is: If you ever want to tune into the uplink, you need custom
hardware as the filters for the frequencies are reversed.  Plus, it is 
impossible
to find any SAW filters for the reverse bands in the same or similar mechanical
dimensions - not even speaking of the same impedance and 
balanced/unbalanced-ness
as needed.  Thus, it is impossible to simply replace the filters on existing
hardware.

More modern GSM phone designs use a 'frontend module', i.e. an integrated
component that contains the RF transceiver, the filters and often also the PA.
In such a module, you simply cannot change the filter characteristics
anymore.

Also, I would not waste time at developing your own hardware based on an
old / end-of-life RF transceiver.  Don't underestimate the time you will
have to spend on doing analog RF design at frequencies that come close to 2GHz.
Without the proper skills/experience and particularly measurement equipment,
you will not be able to design something that will be close to the performance
of a commercial handset.

I've analyzed this long enough and I think it's simply not worth putting so
much time and effort into something that inevitably only very few people will
show an interest in.

Regards,
        Harald.
-- 
- Harald Welte <lafo...@gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
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