and, Manish, the site is definitely inaccessible to leave a comment at. i tried responding to a comment left there but the reply link does not bring up an edit box or a prompt to sign in or anything of the ssort.
On 3/1/17, Payal Kapoor <[email protected]> wrote: > all your points make sense Shireen, when in a situation you've > mentioned. this specific incident mentioned here was not conducive to > most of what you've suggested. yes, in other situations they could > definitely be adopted, but when in the situation i've mentioned, not > many have the time or inclination to see much beyond themselves. or > maybe i was dealing with a particularly reticent group. > the dynamic changes when in a group. why, i am still to understand. > the getting up from the seat is something a lot of us do i think. my > main concern here is the absence of initiative to even try. > i get the absence of eye contact bit being a problem, but there are > definitely other ways to combat that i'm sure. > > On 2/28/17, Shireen Irani <[email protected]> wrote: >> since Avinash has invited a discussion on this, here are my 2 bits on >> a few possible, but not necessarily optimal, solutions: of course what >> Payal went through is very real, and these tips are not in any way, a >> counter to her experience. these are just a few pointers off the top >> of my head that may help some1 in a particular situation, , a lot of >> which u all may already be aware of. >> 1. if i know that a particular person is going to be in the same >> social gathering as myself, whether from work, friends, or family >> members, i'd ask them a day in advance, if they'd be ok to be with me >> during that gathering, and accompany me during meals, etc. if i can >> ask more than 1 person, nothing like it. i could even divide the time, >> spend it half with 1 accompanist, and the other half with the other. >> often when the accompanist realises that he/she was not the only >> option, they are more eager/ willing to accompany. >> 2. if i'm on the same table with a group of people, and if every1 is >> part of a single conversation, then i too will proactively participate >> in that conversation, even if i am not asked something directly. i'd >> of course hope that i say something remotely sensible/ interesting >> enough for people to take notice of me, and realise that here is also >> a person at the table, equally part of the group. its not always >> possible, but it is just 1, among many strategies to use when >> feasible. >> 3. sometimes, i can be the initiator of a conversation at the table. >> by making some general statement about the food, or the function, >> something mostly positive, to which other people may be likely to >> respond. e.g. this biryani is really awesome! or, has any1 tried the >> dessert yet? >> 4. if i know that a particular person is sitting somewhere near me, >> then i can call out to her and start off a conversation for every1 to >> hear. e.g. Payal, i read your latest blog. it was wonderfully written! >> this is surely a good conversation starter, and there's very little >> chance that people will ignore me after that. at least not till the >> end of that particular conversation. >> of course, people sitting immediately next to me would be the simplest >> to start chatting to, but those conversations may not reach the rest >> of the group. >> 6. this last 1 may not be very appealing to many, but it has worked >> for me. if i want something and there's no1 around to call, i just get >> up off the chair and start walking towards nowhere. this is almost >> always likely for some1 to notice me and offer to help. smile. >> >> 7. i could also inform the main organiser/ host of the event, to >> arrange for some1 to be with me during the program and accompany me >> throughout. i think that often its not that people don't want to help. >> they just avoid it because they don't know how to initiate/ interact >> with the likes of us. in such cases, and from all the above points, >> the main thing to take home is that for better for worse, we are the >> ones who need to give them that slight nudge/ push, to engage/ >> interact with us. sadly, people haven't reached that level of >> sensibility yet, for them to not feel awkward around us. i in fact was >> reading about this just this morning. don't remember where. that >> children usually never find it difficult to come forward and initiate >> an interaction with us. it is the adults. who start building these >> walls as they become less sure of their own selves. and thereby, less >> sure of the "others". in quotation marks. so as long as we're the >> first to extend a hand, we can hope that we've done our bit and that >> the ball is no longer in our court. >> >> Shireen. >> >> On 2/28/17, avinash shahi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> While recounting her own experience from a professional gathering, She >>> flags off a burning issue; why people remain indifferent towards blind >>> people. >>> This could set a tone for further deliberation. She felt alone when >>> nobody turned up to offer her assistance to have a dignified meal. She >>> felt unpleasant cause people talked at her not to her. What are the >>> solutions we could offer in similar situations to us and our fellow >>> beings? we also go to attend marriages, parties, and clubs. Many >>> amongst us probably skip such gatherings due to ensuing indignities >>> awaiting them. This post provokes me to ponder upon what could be >>> prospective solutions: Is accompanying sighted to such gathering if >>> not invited morally justified? or demanding right to have meal in >>> dignified manner from the organisers is a way out? or in a conference >>> or in a seminar; just striking a conversation with a stranger solely >>> to get food is a smart strategy. I expect the Access Indians will take >>> the conversation further. The URL is pasted below. >>> http://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/02/im-blind-not-invisible/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/28/17, Niharika Pandit <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> Greetings from Point of View! >>>> >>>> Today on the SexDis blog, we have published an essay 'I'm blind, not >>>> invisible' by Payal Kapoor. >>>> http://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/02/im-blind-not-invisible/ >>>> >>>> 'It is great for the non-disabled to talk about us, but not with us! >>>> How >>>> then will the gap that has been created between us ever be bridged?' >>>> >>>> Happy Reading! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Niharika Pandit >>>> Point of View >>>> >>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>>> of >>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> [email protected] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: >>>> 1. 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