hi shireen. the solutions suggested by you are really useful and I have tried some of them. they really work
On 3/2/17, Shireen Irani <shireen....@gmail.com> wrote: > well i did make clear, right in the beginning, that these pointers > were in no way a counter to what Payal went through. my mail was a > response to Avinash's invitation to initiate a much needed discussion > on the issue. only when u start the discussion with the most basic > ideas do people have the motivation to pipe in and take it forward. > until then, such issues seem to affect no1 till they face the music > themselves. just as is happening now. > > > On 3/2/17, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Completely agree, This is one of its kind situation where none of your >> theories of being assertive comes to your rescue. >> >> On 3/1/17, Payal Kapoor <paya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> and, Manish, the site is definitely inaccessible to leave a comment at. >>> i tried responding to a comment left there but the reply link does not >>> bring up an edit box or a prompt to sign in or anything of the ssort. >>> >>> On 3/1/17, Payal Kapoor <paya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> all your points make sense Shireen, when in a situation you've >>>> mentioned. this specific incident mentioned here was not conducive to >>>> most of what you've suggested. yes, in other situations they could >>>> definitely be adopted, but when in the situation i've mentioned, not >>>> many have the time or inclination to see much beyond themselves. or >>>> maybe i was dealing with a particularly reticent group. >>>> the dynamic changes when in a group. why, i am still to understand. >>>> the getting up from the seat is something a lot of us do i think. my >>>> main concern here is the absence of initiative to even try. >>>> i get the absence of eye contact bit being a problem, but there are >>>> definitely other ways to combat that i'm sure. >>>> >>>> On 2/28/17, Shireen Irani <shireen....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> since Avinash has invited a discussion on this, here are my 2 bits on >>>>> a few possible, but not necessarily optimal, solutions: of course what >>>>> Payal went through is very real, and these tips are not in any way, a >>>>> counter to her experience. these are just a few pointers off the top >>>>> of my head that may help some1 in a particular situation, , a lot of >>>>> which u all may already be aware of. >>>>> 1. if i know that a particular person is going to be in the same >>>>> social gathering as myself, whether from work, friends, or family >>>>> members, i'd ask them a day in advance, if they'd be ok to be with me >>>>> during that gathering, and accompany me during meals, etc. if i can >>>>> ask more than 1 person, nothing like it. i could even divide the time, >>>>> spend it half with 1 accompanist, and the other half with the other. >>>>> often when the accompanist realises that he/she was not the only >>>>> option, they are more eager/ willing to accompany. >>>>> 2. if i'm on the same table with a group of people, and if every1 is >>>>> part of a single conversation, then i too will proactively participate >>>>> in that conversation, even if i am not asked something directly. i'd >>>>> of course hope that i say something remotely sensible/ interesting >>>>> enough for people to take notice of me, and realise that here is also >>>>> a person at the table, equally part of the group. its not always >>>>> possible, but it is just 1, among many strategies to use when >>>>> feasible. >>>>> 3. sometimes, i can be the initiator of a conversation at the table. >>>>> by making some general statement about the food, or the function, >>>>> something mostly positive, to which other people may be likely to >>>>> respond. e.g. this biryani is really awesome! or, has any1 tried the >>>>> dessert yet? >>>>> 4. if i know that a particular person is sitting somewhere near me, >>>>> then i can call out to her and start off a conversation for every1 to >>>>> hear. e.g. Payal, i read your latest blog. it was wonderfully written! >>>>> this is surely a good conversation starter, and there's very little >>>>> chance that people will ignore me after that. at least not till the >>>>> end of that particular conversation. >>>>> of course, people sitting immediately next to me would be the simplest >>>>> to start chatting to, but those conversations may not reach the rest >>>>> of the group. >>>>> 6. this last 1 may not be very appealing to many, but it has worked >>>>> for me. if i want something and there's no1 around to call, i just get >>>>> up off the chair and start walking towards nowhere. this is almost >>>>> always likely for some1 to notice me and offer to help. smile. >>>>> >>>>> 7. i could also inform the main organiser/ host of the event, to >>>>> arrange for some1 to be with me during the program and accompany me >>>>> throughout. i think that often its not that people don't want to help. >>>>> they just avoid it because they don't know how to initiate/ interact >>>>> with the likes of us. in such cases, and from all the above points, >>>>> the main thing to take home is that for better for worse, we are the >>>>> ones who need to give them that slight nudge/ push, to engage/ >>>>> interact with us. sadly, people haven't reached that level of >>>>> sensibility yet, for them to not feel awkward around us. i in fact was >>>>> reading about this just this morning. don't remember where. that >>>>> children usually never find it difficult to come forward and initiate >>>>> an interaction with us. it is the adults. who start building these >>>>> walls as they become less sure of their own selves. and thereby, less >>>>> sure of the "others". in quotation marks. so as long as we're the >>>>> first to extend a hand, we can hope that we've done our bit and that >>>>> the ball is no longer in our court. >>>>> >>>>> Shireen. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/28/17, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> While recounting her own experience from a professional gathering, >>>>>> She >>>>>> flags off a burning issue; why people remain indifferent towards >>>>>> blind >>>>>> people. >>>>>> This could set a tone for further deliberation. She felt alone when >>>>>> nobody turned up to offer her assistance to have a dignified meal. >>>>>> She >>>>>> felt unpleasant cause people talked at her not to her. What are the >>>>>> solutions we could offer in similar situations to us and our fellow >>>>>> beings? we also go to attend marriages, parties, and clubs. Many >>>>>> amongst us probably skip such gatherings due to ensuing indignities >>>>>> awaiting them. This post provokes me to ponder upon what could be >>>>>> prospective solutions: Is accompanying sighted to such gathering if >>>>>> not invited morally justified? or demanding right to have meal in >>>>>> dignified manner from the organisers is a way out? or in a conference >>>>>> or in a seminar; just striking a conversation with a stranger solely >>>>>> to get food is a smart strategy. I expect the Access Indians will >>>>>> take >>>>>> the conversation further. The URL is pasted below. >>>>>> http://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/02/im-blind-not-invisible/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/28/17, Niharika Pandit <nihar...@pointofview.org> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings from Point of View! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today on the SexDis blog, we have published an essay 'I'm blind, not >>>>>>> invisible' by Payal Kapoor. >>>>>>> http://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/02/im-blind-not-invisible/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'It is great for the non-disabled to talk about us, but not with us! >>>>>>> How >>>>>>> then will the gap that has been created between us ever be bridged?' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy Reading! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Niharika Pandit >>>>>>> Point of View >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>> please >>>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>>> 1. 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