In my view, The only way forward is strict Supervision through videography.
Sent from my iPhone > On 17-Aug-2022, at 11:07 AM, Satguru Rathi <tarannumra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well said! There are schools which teach Maths upto class 8th only and untill > recently, few counted schools tought it upto 10th. How one expects from a > blind candidate who has studied Maths till class 8th and was never even told > in school about something called "Reasoning"! How would he solve such > questions? Even if some fortunate one gets enrolled in some coatching, will > he be able to understand all those concepts at par with his sighted pears? We > must first focus on strengthning our education system. > > > > Best. > > On 8/16/2022 7:31 PM, Pinkesh Tailor wrote: >> Firstly the examination must be made visually impaired friendly. We >> are just been accommodated for examination which are meant for sighted >> people. Just giving some extra time, exemption from tables and >> graphical questions etc is not going to make any sense. And the >> fundamental issues remains unanswered, so as to how the special >> schools can trained visually impaired on logic, math which do not >> include visual graph or on tactile based questions at the primary and >> secondary schooling age. Some or many of us may be fortunate enough to >> have inclusive education, or having a good family status along with >> support system. What about the unfortunates, should they die because >> of this? Until these persisting issues in relation to the education >> system for visually impaired do not get resolved, I suggest that >> organizations must frame interview based verbal discussion, such as >> testing the candidates on various parameters such as psychometric, >> reasoning, general affairs, basics of computing with screan readerrs, >> English/Hindi reading and writing skill, mathematical ability etc. >> Despite of all the efforts put on by our community for reservation in >> employment, the companies are still lagging in achieving full Vacancy. >> This is some where a result of disguised discrimination in the public >> sector organizations, and even in general the big private sector >> employers are willing to recruit only those visually impaired who have >> spent a lots of money on education / higher education. So who bothers >> about the unfortunates and economically backward blind candidates? >> >> On 8/16/22, Sandesh HR <rh.sand...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi friends, >>> Kethan said rightly. >>> Extremely sorry I request you all read long e-mail. >>> strengthen Fundamentally eligibility of candidate, selection and exam >>> written format processes well. >>> >>> Present format also have issues like visualize and understand the >>> journey of listen and write the public sector exam questions. scribe >>> will read the question to vision impaired. Scribe takes one or two >>> minute To read the instruction to screen reader users. >>> Followed listener will listen give the answer one one or two minute. >>> That means vision impaired completes one instruction almost 3 to 4 minutes. >>> Out of 80 minutes if vision impaired follow he or she able to not more >>> than 20 to 25 instructions. >>> My view is strengthen the system. >>> Make the exam screens accessible and user friendly (compatible with >>> keyboard and low vision friendly)with screen reader >>> If person has use digital device to write the exam on their own >>> Insite is person with vision impaired join banking and other public >>> sector jobs without knowing computer spelling and mobility knowledge. >>> Present government system is some of vision impaired join the >>> government jobs without require knowledge and skills. Therefore public >>> sector changing their perception about vision impaired hiring. More >>> towards functional low vision. >>> After candidate's hiring organization approachs subject mater experts >>> to spend exstra money to train the vision impaired candidates. >>> Therefore bank put the pressure on facilitators teach all vision >>> impaired employees in less amount of 100 hours. >>> Financial burden government sectors and corporate sectors as well. >>> Learner feels Burdon and pressure to learn from typing to internet, >>> My view is need to emphasize our community before taking the exams >>> improve computer, spelling, English mobility efficiency and process >>> discipline. >>> Exam duration has to increase on reality wise. >>> Example: screen reader user has to attend the 100 questions in 80 minutes. >>> Screen reader user has to answer less than almost 30 to 40 seconds. >>> He or she has to understand the layout of window, followed by >>> comprehend the screen reader accent, need to decide efficiently use >>> keyboard commands to use to quickly complete the exam. >>> Comprehend the questions, he or she has to listen screen reader key >>> command twice or trice less than 30 seconds. >>> If screen reader user taking 90 seconds to solve one question, that >>> means before apply government exams need to ask our self am I >>> efficient? >>> If any person feels need to improve should take action to become >>> excellent on computer, English, competitive exams. >>> Lot of work involves back ground all the coaching center syllabus has to >>> change. >>> Need to do the capacity building the coaching center faculties teach >>> reasoning, aptitude and English. >>> One more glitch will begin again scribe banks as well if we recommends. >>> >>> Example: few states very difficult get scribe who is good at reading >>> english and Hindi. >>> Since government attend the exam in Hindi still scribes unable to read >>> English properly. >>> >>> >>> My view is all stake holders together work make our community good in >>> society and solve the exam >>> Let us do retrospection rather than blame the scribes. >>> Action VS reaction. >>> >>> I have felt to share my incite and I am not against views . >>> >>> On 8/16/22, Ketan Kothari <muktake...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Friends, >>>> >>>> Although the problems mentioned in the article are true to some >>>> extent, the blind community is also not without blame. Also, there >>>> are some glaring inconsistencies in the news item and I wonder why >>>> this coaching institute is not reported to police? I would have been >>>> happy if there were by-line give in the article. >>>> >>>> In most cases, VI people don't wish to read and that is a fact which >>>> we must accept. That may be true for even the sighted folks but in >>>> our case, the options of gaining knowledge are fewer. >>>> >>>> For most exams there is a lot of material avaiable but one needs to >>>> search carefully. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Ketan >>>> >>>> On 14/08/2022, Minar Singh <singhmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe >>>>> Service' Turning Into 'Business'? >>>>> New Delhi, India >>>>> Scribes charge from Rs 2,000 to rs 5 lakh for exam (Representational >>>>> Image) >>>>> Scribes charge from Rs 2,000 to rs 5 lakh for exam (Representational >>>>> Image) >>>>> Lack of scribes for candidates with visual impairment has led to a >>>>> rampant illegal ‘scribe business’ across the country, activists demand >>>>> national scribe banks. >>>>> Help offered to visually impaired students in form of scribes is >>>>> turning into a business, where on one hand deserving students find it >>>>> difficult to get a scribe, on the other hand, many ‘coaching >>>>> institutes’ offer scribes as ‘proxy’ candidates to solve papers on >>>>> behalf of students in exchange for lakhs of rupees. Depending on the >>>>> exams, several visually impaired candidates have reportedly been asked >>>>> anywhere from Rs 1 lakh to 5 lakh from scribes. >>>>> The availability of scribes in exchange for a large amount of money >>>>> has made seeking payments in return for helping in exams an unsaid >>>>> norm. This puts candidates, especially those from low-income >>>>> backgrounds at a disadvantage. >>>>> In 2021, a 31-year-old person with visual impairment, Satvir Jogi, had >>>>> to miss his exam as he failed to find a scribe despite multiple >>>>> attempts. For Jogi, who has been applying for several government exams >>>>> in the last few years, arranging a scribe has always been a challenge. >>>>> “Due to a paucity of reading material for visually impaired candidates >>>>> — online and in physical form — even the preparation for an exam is >>>>> more difficult when compared to visually-abled candidates. To top it >>>>> off, we have the biggest challenge of finding scribes. How are these >>>>> exams fair and equal for us?” says Jogi. >>>>> He adds, “I have given from Rs 1,000 to Rs 2,000 on multiple occasions >>>>> to scribes to write my paper. If a visually impaired candidate is >>>>> lucky, then they sometimes get a volunteer scribe on time, otherwise, >>>>> scribes demand money as per their wish for appearing for exams.” >>>>> SCRIBES ALSO BEING USED AS PROXY CANDIDATES >>>>> Lack of resources and limited vacancies for the visually impaired has >>>>> made many take the illegal route as well. SK Singh, a rights activist >>>>> for people with visual impairment and secretary of the National >>>>> Association for the Blind, claimed that the scribe business is an open >>>>> secret now. It stems from a lack of scribe resources and other >>>>> challenges, including not enough material to prepare for exams and >>>>> fewer job vacancies for people with visual impairment. >>>>> They demand anywhere from Rs 2,000 to just appear for the exam to Rs 5 >>>>> lakh to clear it. With the demand for more money, scribes also give >>>>> services to prepare on the behalf of the candidate and appear for the >>>>> exam, alleged SK Singh, a rights activist for people with visual >>>>> impairment and secretary of the National Association for the Blind. >>>>> “Unemployment rates are at an all-time high and everyone wants to >>>>> secure a job. Several scribes have found this opportunity to make >>>>> money out of it. They demand anywhere from Rs 2,000 to just appear for >>>>> the exam to Rs 5 lakh to clear it. With the demand for more money, >>>>> scribes also give services to prepare on the behalf of the candidate >>>>> and appear for the exam.” >>>>> ‘WITH OUR SCRIBES DON’T WORRY ABOUT PASSING EXAM’ >>>>> To get to know some of the ‘proxy scribes’, News18 tried to contact a >>>>> few of them. One such person, who runs a coaching center in Mumbai, >>>>> told News18.com, “We have an academy. You only have to give us the >>>>> syllabus and make us meet the candidate. We are quite experienced at >>>>> it, so you don’t have to worry about passing the exam.” >>>>> He said, from teachers to students his academy has scribes candidates >>>>> of all ages and for various exams. >>>>> Speaking about the fee charged for being the scribe, he said it >>>>> depends on the exam. “While the fee is less for the non-technical >>>>> exams, the fee will be more for technical exams. But don’t worry about >>>>> the fee, we have an installment system also. A candidate can pay even >>>>> after they get a job,” he said. >>>>> ‘NO COMPLAINTS RECEIVED OF SCRIBE BUSINESS’ >>>>> The authorities, however, claim to not be aware of any ‘scribe >>>>> business’ going on in exams. >>>>> When News18 contacted the Department of Empowerment of Persons with >>>>> Disabilities, which is under the Ministry of Social Justice & >>>>> Empowerment, an official, on condition of anonymity, said, “Till now >>>>> we have not received any complaints of ‘scribe business’." >>>>> “In the future, however, if we get any such complaints we will inquire >>>>> about it. Meanwhile, if there are reports of policy being misused, >>>>> then the state government can inquire into it.” >>>>> The official added, “The policy is made for the betterment of the >>>>> candidates, but there are people who might take advantage of the >>>>> loophole, but there are bodies to look into it.” >>>>> LACK OF CONSENSUS AMONG AUTHORITIES OVER QUALIFICATION, AVAILABILITY OF >>>>> SCRIBE >>>>> The authorities have allegedly also failed to come to a consensus >>>>> about implementing guidelines for availing of scribe facilities. While >>>>> the guidelines issued by the Ministry of Social Justice and Employment >>>>> published the Guidelines for Persons with Benchmark Disabilities in >>>>> August 2018 give candidates the option to either bring their own >>>>> scribes or request one from the exam-conducting body, in many cases >>>>> authorities deny candidates to bring their own scribe. >>>>> In the recently held TS TET exam, many candidates were uncertain till >>>>> hours before exams whether or not they will get a scribe. Candidates >>>>> from different districts of Telangana said that their admit cards >>>>> mentioned that candidates with 40 per cent disability can avail >>>>> scribes, however, there was no mention if they will be provided with a >>>>> scribe by the exam conducting body or if the students can get their >>>>> own scribe for the exam. The confusion escalated among the candidates >>>>> when the TSTET helpdesk set up in different districts of the State >>>>> provided mixed information to the candidates. >>>>> News18 tried to call some of the district helpdesk numbers to verify >>>>> the claims. An operator from the Hyderabad helpdesk said that >>>>> candidates will have to go to the exam centre a day before the exams >>>>> to inform the administration that they require a scribe and then they >>>>> will be allocated a scribe. Meanwhile, the Khammam helpdesk said the >>>>> candidates can get their scribes but they have to be only Class 9 >>>>> qualified. However, Hyderabad’s helpdesk claimed that candidates >>>>> cannot get their scribe and only the exam-conducting body (Department >>>>> of School Education) will provide a scribe to candidates with >>>>> disabilities. >>>>> The TET convenor Radha Reddy denied the claims of confusion among the >>>>> candidates. She told New18, “There should be no confusion among the >>>>> candidates as these exams happen every year and candidates should know >>>>> that students cannot get their own scribes. Those who fit the >>>>> disability criteria will be provided with a scribe at the exam >>>>> center." >>>>> While guidelines by Ministry clearly state that candidates have option >>>>> of bringing own scribe to seeking one from exam conducting bodies, >>>>> rules often change at state-level. >>>>> On informing the qualifications of scribes TSTET convenor said that >>>>> scribes will only be class 9 pass and inter-pass. The guidelines >>>>> issued by Ministry, however, suggest that scribes should not be more >>>>> than the minimum qualification criteria of the examination. However, >>>>> the qualification of the scribe/reader should always be matric or >>>>> above. >>>>> Similar incidents of confusion over the scribes’ availability and >>>>> qualification are reported in multiple educational and recruitment >>>>> exams. >>>>> DEMAND FOR A NATIONAL, STATE SCRIBE POOL >>>>> Activists have been demanding the government create scribe banks so >>>>> that any examinee can readily avail of certified scribes on a >>>>> voluntary basis. Under a watch, this can also put a stop to proxy >>>>> candidate business. >>>>> Activists cite the lack of Central or State-regulated scribe pools, >>>>> which can be accessed by anyone, to the burgeoning illegal scribe >>>>> business. To add to their woes, guidelines related to scribes are >>>>> unclear across the country. >>>>> SK Singh, says, “The government had come up with the qualification >>>>> guidelines to curb exam malpractices, but that is only working against >>>>> students. There can be multiple ways to curb malpractices. Why is the >>>>> onus not on the invigilators to check if the candidate is using the >>>>> help of their scribe or not? Putting a cap on the scribe’s >>>>> qualification curbs visually impaired and other candidates with >>>>> disabilities to appear for exams.” >>>>> The General Secretary of the National Platform for the Rights of the >>>>> Disabled, Muralidharan, said that these norms would only make it more >>>>> difficult for the candidates to find a scribe. He said, “If a national >>>>> and state scribe bank will be available, this will automatically curb >>>>> such practices.” >>>>> Founder of the All India Conference of the Blind, J L Paul, said, >>>>> “Under Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 2016, all visually >>>>> impaired people have the right to education and the government should >>>>> make sure that they get it. There are no proper efforts made by the >>>>> government to make sure that all visually impaired students get a >>>>> scribe. For this, a national and a state scribe bank will be very >>>>> beneficial.” >>>>> Calling the scribe qualification law draconian, another visually >>>>> impaired student Animesh, who has done his MA in International >>>>> Relations from Christ University Bangalore, said, “The government has >>>>> these rules to avoid malpractice but at the same time our >>>>> infrastructure is not that well developed. So first the government >>>>> should develop a network and then come up with such guidelines. Like >>>>> Ola and Uber, there should be online scribe pool apps through which we >>>>> can check the scribe’s qualifications and practise with them.” >>>>> This story is produced as part of the Laadli Media Fellowship 2022 >>>>> https://www.news18.com/news/education-career/form-charging-lakhs-to-offering-proxy-candidates-is-exam-scribe-service-turning-into-business-5624815.html >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> What’s most important is to put the person first, the disability >>>>> second Because we all are people first. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>>>> the >>>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >>>>> >>>>> 2. 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