in my view, the schools adopting the English as their medium and teaching the science and the mathematics in their curriculum is the way forward. inclusive education should be pushed but, the question is that, are the schools that teach the normals equipped to handle the visually challenged?
On 8/17/22, Satguru Rathi <tarannumra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Well, computers are the part of the whole system, but specific subjects > have their own merrits. First, one can not learn computer without having > basic English language skills. Despite the availability of the Hindi > softwares, I see no specific push by the government to make it more > usable. Even if one argues to learn it the Hindi way, most of the time > he would find being end up useing "English software" for various tasks. > We don't yet have a very reliable Hindi OCR available despite of various > efforts. Projects come and go with much hipe from the government but end > up dead most of the time. Now, how many English medium schools are there > in India for VI? Perhaps 1 or 2. Are they sufficient? No! How could we > few fortunates expect from everyone in the VI community to come on board > Access India and join this debate? George sir is right! Time has come > for the government and the NGOs to make the required changes in the > education system decisively and swiftly. > > > Satguru. > > On 8/17/2022 2:39 PM, Amena Kanchwala wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> It is a wonderful conversation going on. I will still support making >> the examination software accessible with the screen readers, and >> enabling visually impaired candidates appear in their exams >> independently. If this happens, then the people who don’t know how to >> operate computers will start learning computers in order to get the >> job. People will start learning maths and reasoning. Training centres >> will also start teaching the same. There will be competition between >> visually impaired candidates only. Currently, no one wants to give >> their efforts, because they think that all their efforts will go in >> vain if they have to compete with sighted scribes. People like us have >> our own constraints. Even the well prepared VI Candidate cannot >> compete with the well prepared sighted scribe. I have seen the SBI >> exam cut off for VI candidates going higher than that of sighted >> candidates. This is just because of highly paid scribes. And because >> of this, even the genuine VI candidates stop preparing, and >> endup entering into the vicious cycle of scribe business. >> >> And yes, I feel that it is difficult to do strict invigilation at all >> the places in the similar manner. Candidates and scribes can use the >> code words to tell the correct answer. Also, at some places >> invigilators can be polite. It depends on the person. >> >> Giving the exams independently will give them confidence. They will >> start giving the effort for the same, and can make themselves capable >> for the applied position. Few months ago, I gave a US based online >> exam independently, and trust me I feel good after clearing the same. >> >> All of us just need to change our mindset. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> Ame >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 2:16 PM Tanmay Srivastava >> <tanmaysri1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Extremely sorry for such a long mail. >> >> Earlier, I was not thinking to give my opinion on this issue but, >> satguru ji's mail compelled me to talk about it. >> >> There are a few things which needs to be addressed. >> >> Firstly, why there is no separate ministry for people with >> disabilities? >> >> In other words, why MSJE is running department of empowerment of >> persons with disabilities? >> >> It is quite understandable that, when a ministry has so many >> departments then they set work on a priority basis. >> >> Secondly, why MSJE deals with special schools, I mean if education >> ministry takes charge of special schools then they can do a lot to >> enhance the entire special education system. >> >> Last but not the least, satguru ji I agree with you 100% but, same >> thing goes with computer as well. >> >> I remember, when we were in 11th standard, we had to give an >> undertaking to pursue computer as an additional subject. >> >> According to which, school will not be liable in case of any >> mishappening. >> >> School can afford well experienced computer teachers but, they >> left us with a computer instructer who did not have any experience >> to teach computer in 11th and 12th standard to a totally blind >> person, however it is important to mention that, she tried her >> best to get the result. >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Aug, 2022, 11:08 am Satguru Rathi, >> <tarannumra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well said! There are schools which teach Maths upto class 8th >> only and untill recently, few counted schools tought it upto >> 10th. How one expects from a blind candidate who has studied >> Maths till class 8th and was never even told in school about >> something called "Reasoning"! How would he solve such >> questions? Even if some fortunate one gets enrolled in some >> coatching, will he be able to understand all those concepts at >> par with his sighted pears? We must first focus on >> strengthning our education system. >> >> >> Best. >> >> On 8/16/2022 7:31 PM, Pinkesh Tailor wrote: >>> Firstly the examination must be made visually impaired friendly. >>> We >>> are just been accommodated for examination which are meant for >>> sighted >>> people. Just giving some extra time, exemption from tables and >>> graphical questions etc is not going to make any sense. And the >>> fundamental issues remains unanswered, so as to how the special >>> schools can trained visually impaired on logic, math which do >>> not >>> include visual graph or on tactile based questions at the primary >>> and >>> secondary schooling age. Some or many of us may be fortunate >>> enough to >>> have inclusive education, or having a good family status along >>> with >>> support system. What about the unfortunates, should they die >>> because >>> of this? Until these persisting issues in relation to the >>> education >>> system for visually impaired do not get resolved, I suggest that >>> organizations must frame interview based verbal discussion, such >>> as >>> testing the candidates on various parameters such as >>> psychometric, >>> reasoning, general affairs, basics of computing with screan >>> readerrs, >>> English/Hindi reading and writing skill, mathematical ability >>> etc. >>> Despite of all the efforts put on by our community for >>> reservation in >>> employment, the companies are still lagging in achieving full >>> Vacancy. >>> This is some where a result of disguised discrimination in the >>> public >>> sector organizations, and even in general the big private sector >>> employers are willing to recruit only those visually impaired who >>> have >>> spent a lots of money on education / higher education. So who >>> bothers >>> about the unfortunates and economically backward blind >>> candidates? >>> >>> On 8/16/22, Sandesh HR<rh.sand...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:rh.sand...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi friends, >>>> Kethan said rightly. >>>> Extremely sorry I request you all read long e-mail. >>>> strengthen Fundamentally eligibility of candidate, selection and >>>> exam >>>> written format processes well. >>>> >>>> Present format also have issues like visualize and understand >>>> the >>>> journey of listen and write the public sector exam questions. >>>> scribe >>>> will read the question to vision impaired. Scribe takes one or >>>> two >>>> minute To read the instruction to screen reader users. >>>> Followed listener will listen give the answer one one or two >>>> minute. >>>> That means vision impaired completes one instruction almost 3 to >>>> 4 minutes. >>>> Out of 80 minutes if vision impaired follow he or she able to >>>> not more >>>> than 20 to 25 instructions. >>>> My view is strengthen the system. >>>> Make the exam screens accessible and user friendly (compatible >>>> with >>>> keyboard and low vision friendly)with screen reader >>>> If person has use digital device to write the exam on their own >>>> Insite is person with vision impaired join banking and other >>>> public >>>> sector jobs without knowing computer spelling and mobility >>>> knowledge. >>>> Present government system is some of vision impaired join the >>>> government jobs without require knowledge and skills. Therefore >>>> public >>>> sector changing their perception about vision impaired hiring. >>>> More >>>> towards functional low vision. >>>> After candidate's hiring organization approachs subject mater >>>> experts >>>> to spend exstra money to train the vision impaired candidates. >>>> Therefore bank put the pressure on facilitators teach all >>>> vision >>>> impaired employees in less amount of 100 hours. >>>> Financial burden government sectors and corporate sectors as >>>> well. >>>> Learner feels Burdon and pressure to learn from typing to >>>> internet, >>>> My view is need to emphasize our community before taking the >>>> exams >>>> improve computer, spelling, English mobility efficiency and >>>> process >>>> discipline. >>>> Exam duration has to increase on reality wise. >>>> Example: screen reader user has to attend the 100 questions in >>>> 80 minutes. >>>> Screen reader user has to answer less than almost 30 to 40 >>>> seconds. >>>> He or she has to understand the layout of window, followed by >>>> comprehend the screen reader accent, need to decide efficiently >>>> use >>>> keyboard commands to use to quickly complete the exam. >>>> Comprehend the questions, he or she has to listen screen reader >>>> key >>>> command twice or trice less than 30 seconds. >>>> If screen reader user taking 90 seconds to solve one question, >>>> that >>>> means before apply government exams need to ask our self am I >>>> efficient? >>>> If any person feels need to improve should take action to >>>> become >>>> excellent on computer, English, competitive exams. >>>> Lot of work involves back ground all the coaching center >>>> syllabus has to >>>> change. >>>> Need to do the capacity building the coaching center faculties >>>> teach >>>> reasoning, aptitude and English. >>>> One more glitch will begin again scribe banks as well if we >>>> recommends. >>>> >>>> Example: few states very difficult get scribe who is good at >>>> reading >>>> english and Hindi. >>>> Since government attend the exam in Hindi still scribes unable >>>> to read >>>> English properly. >>>> >>>> >>>> My view is all stake holders together work make our community >>>> good in >>>> society and solve the exam >>>> Let us do retrospection rather than blame the scribes. >>>> Action VS reaction. >>>> >>>> I have felt to share my incite and I am not against views . >>>> >>>> On 8/16/22, Ketan Kothari<muktake...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:muktake...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi Friends, >>>>> >>>>> Although the problems mentioned in the article are true to >>>>> some >>>>> extent, the blind community is also not without blame. Also, >>>>> there >>>>> are some glaring inconsistencies in the news item and I wonder >>>>> why >>>>> this coaching institute is not reported to police? I would >>>>> have been >>>>> happy if there were by-line give in the article. >>>>> >>>>> In most cases, VI people don't wish to read and that is a fact >>>>> which >>>>> we must accept. That may be true for even the sighted folks >>>>> but in >>>>> our case, the options of gaining knowledge are fewer. >>>>> >>>>> For most exams there is a lot of material avaiable but one >>>>> needs to >>>>> search carefully. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ketan >>>>> >>>>> On 14/08/2022, Minar Singh<singhmi...@gmail.com> >>>>> <mailto:singhmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam >>>>>> 'Scribe >>>>>> Service' Turning Into 'Business'? >>>>>> New Delhi, India >>>>>> Scribes charge from Rs 2,000 to rs 5 lakh for exam >>>>>> (Representational >>>>>> Image) >>>>>> Scribes charge from Rs 2,000 to rs 5 lakh for exam >>>>>> (Representational >>>>>> Image) >>>>>> Lack of scribes for candidates with visual impairment has led >>>>>> to a >>>>>> rampant illegal ‘scribe business’ across the country, >>>>>> activists demand >>>>>> national scribe banks. >>>>>> Help offered to visually impaired students in form of scribes >>>>>> is >>>>>> turning into a business, where on one hand deserving students >>>>>> find it >>>>>> difficult to get a scribe, on the other hand, many ‘coaching >>>>>> institutes’ offer scribes as ‘proxy’ candidates to solve >>>>>> papers on >>>>>> behalf of students in exchange for lakhs of rupees. Depending >>>>>> on the >>>>>> exams, several visually impaired candidates have reportedly >>>>>> been asked >>>>>> anywhere from Rs 1 lakh to 5 lakh from scribes. >>>>>> The availability of scribes in exchange for a large amount of >>>>>> money >>>>>> has made seeking payments in return for helping in exams an >>>>>> unsaid >>>>>> norm. This puts candidates, especially those from low-income >>>>>> backgrounds at a disadvantage. >>>>>> In 2021, a 31-year-old person with visual impairment, Satvir >>>>>> Jogi, had >>>>>> to miss his exam as he failed to find a scribe despite >>>>>> multiple >>>>>> attempts. For Jogi, who has been applying for several >>>>>> government exams >>>>>> in the last few years, arranging a scribe has always been a >>>>>> challenge. >>>>>> “Due to a paucity of reading material for visually impaired >>>>>> candidates >>>>>> — online and in physical form — even the preparation for an >>>>>> exam is >>>>>> more difficult when compared to visually-abled candidates. To >>>>>> top it >>>>>> off, we have the biggest challenge of finding scribes. How are >>>>>> these >>>>>> exams fair and equal for us?” says Jogi. >>>>>> He adds, “I have given from Rs 1,000 to Rs 2,000 on multiple >>>>>> occasions >>>>>> to scribes to write my paper. If a visually impaired candidate >>>>>> is >>>>>> lucky, then they sometimes get a volunteer scribe on time, >>>>>> otherwise, >>>>>> scribes demand money as per their wish for appearing for >>>>>> exams.” >>>>>> SCRIBES ALSO BEING USED AS PROXY CANDIDATES >>>>>> Lack of resources and limited vacancies for the visually >>>>>> impaired has >>>>>> made many take the illegal route as well. SK Singh, a rights >>>>>> activist >>>>>> for people with visual impairment and secretary of the >>>>>> National >>>>>> Association for the Blind, claimed that the scribe business is >>>>>> an open >>>>>> secret now. It stems from a lack of scribe resources and >>>>>> other >>>>>> challenges, including not enough material to prepare for exams >>>>>> and >>>>>> fewer job vacancies for people with visual impairment. >>>>>> They demand anywhere from Rs 2,000 to just appear for the exam >>>>>> to Rs 5 >>>>>> lakh to clear it. With the demand for more money, scribes also >>>>>> give >>>>>> services to prepare on the behalf of the candidate and appear >>>>>> for the >>>>>> exam, alleged SK Singh, a rights activist for people with >>>>>> visual >>>>>> impairment and secretary of the National Association for the >>>>>> Blind. >>>>>> “Unemployment rates are at an all-time high and everyone wants >>>>>> to >>>>>> secure a job. Several scribes have found this opportunity to >>>>>> make >>>>>> money out of it. They demand anywhere from Rs 2,000 to just >>>>>> appear for >>>>>> the exam to Rs 5 lakh to clear it. With the demand for more >>>>>> money, >>>>>> scribes also give services to prepare on the behalf of the >>>>>> candidate >>>>>> and appear for the exam.” >>>>>> ‘WITH OUR SCRIBES DON’T WORRY ABOUT PASSING EXAM’ >>>>>> To get to know some of the ‘proxy scribes’, News18 tried to >>>>>> contact a >>>>>> few of them. One such person, who runs a coaching center in >>>>>> Mumbai, >>>>>> told News18.com, “We have an academy. You only have to give us >>>>>> the >>>>>> syllabus and make us meet the candidate. We are quite >>>>>> experienced at >>>>>> it, so you don’t have to worry about passing the exam.” >>>>>> He said, from teachers to students his academy has scribes >>>>>> candidates >>>>>> of all ages and for various exams. >>>>>> Speaking about the fee charged for being the scribe, he said >>>>>> it >>>>>> depends on the exam. “While the fee is less for the >>>>>> non-technical >>>>>> exams, the fee will be more for technical exams. But don’t >>>>>> worry about >>>>>> the fee, we have an installment system also. A candidate can >>>>>> pay even >>>>>> after they get a job,” he said. >>>>>> ‘NO COMPLAINTS RECEIVED OF SCRIBE BUSINESS’ >>>>>> The authorities, however, claim to not be aware of any >>>>>> ‘scribe >>>>>> business’ going on in exams. >>>>>> When News18 contacted the Department of Empowerment of Persons >>>>>> with >>>>>> Disabilities, which is under the Ministry of Social Justice & >>>>>> Empowerment, an official, on condition of anonymity, said, >>>>>> “Till now >>>>>> we have not received any complaints of ‘scribe business’." >>>>>> “In the future, however, if we get any such complaints we will >>>>>> inquire >>>>>> about it. Meanwhile, if there are reports of policy being >>>>>> misused, >>>>>> then the state government can inquire into it.” >>>>>> The official added, “The policy is made for the betterment of >>>>>> the >>>>>> candidates, but there are people who might take advantage of >>>>>> the >>>>>> loophole, but there are bodies to look into it.” >>>>>> LACK OF CONSENSUS AMONG AUTHORITIES OVER QUALIFICATION, >>>>>> AVAILABILITY OF >>>>>> SCRIBE >>>>>> The authorities have allegedly also failed to come to a >>>>>> consensus >>>>>> about implementing guidelines for availing of scribe >>>>>> facilities. While >>>>>> the guidelines issued by the Ministry of Social Justice and >>>>>> Employment >>>>>> published the Guidelines for Persons with Benchmark >>>>>> Disabilities in >>>>>> August 2018 give candidates the option to either bring their >>>>>> own >>>>>> scribes or request one from the exam-conducting body, in many >>>>>> cases >>>>>> authorities deny candidates to bring their own scribe. >>>>>> In the recently held TS TET exam, many candidates were >>>>>> uncertain till >>>>>> hours before exams whether or not they will get a scribe. >>>>>> Candidates >>>>>> from different districts of Telangana said that their admit >>>>>> cards >>>>>> mentioned that candidates with 40 per cent disability can >>>>>> avail >>>>>> scribes, however, there was no mention if they will be >>>>>> provided with a >>>>>> scribe by the exam conducting body or if the students can get >>>>>> their >>>>>> own scribe for the exam. The confusion escalated among the >>>>>> candidates >>>>>> when the TSTET helpdesk set up in different districts of the >>>>>> State >>>>>> provided mixed information to the candidates. >>>>>> News18 tried to call some of the district helpdesk numbers to >>>>>> verify >>>>>> the claims. An operator from the Hyderabad helpdesk said that >>>>>> candidates will have to go to the exam centre a day before the >>>>>> exams >>>>>> to inform the administration that they require a scribe and >>>>>> then they >>>>>> will be allocated a scribe. Meanwhile, the Khammam helpdesk >>>>>> said the >>>>>> candidates can get their scribes but they have to be only >>>>>> Class 9 >>>>>> qualified. However, Hyderabad’s helpdesk claimed that >>>>>> candidates >>>>>> cannot get their scribe and only the exam-conducting body >>>>>> (Department >>>>>> of School Education) will provide a scribe to candidates with >>>>>> disabilities. >>>>>> The TET convenor Radha Reddy denied the claims of confusion >>>>>> among the >>>>>> candidates. She told New18, “There should be no confusion >>>>>> among the >>>>>> candidates as these exams happen every year and candidates >>>>>> should know >>>>>> that students cannot get their own scribes. Those who fit the >>>>>> disability criteria will be provided with a scribe at the >>>>>> exam >>>>>> center." >>>>>> While guidelines by Ministry clearly state that candidates >>>>>> have option >>>>>> of bringing own scribe to seeking one from exam conducting >>>>>> bodies, >>>>>> rules often change at state-level. >>>>>> On informing the qualifications of scribes TSTET convenor said >>>>>> that >>>>>> scribes will only be class 9 pass and inter-pass. The >>>>>> guidelines >>>>>> issued by Ministry, however, suggest that scribes should not >>>>>> be more >>>>>> than the minimum qualification criteria of the examination. >>>>>> However, >>>>>> the qualification of the scribe/reader should always be matric >>>>>> or >>>>>> above. >>>>>> Similar incidents of confusion over the scribes’ availability >>>>>> and >>>>>> qualification are reported in multiple educational and >>>>>> recruitment >>>>>> exams. >>>>>> DEMAND FOR A NATIONAL, STATE SCRIBE POOL >>>>>> Activists have been demanding the government create scribe >>>>>> banks so >>>>>> that any examinee can readily avail of certified scribes on a >>>>>> voluntary basis. Under a watch, this can also put a stop to >>>>>> proxy >>>>>> candidate business. >>>>>> Activists cite the lack of Central or State-regulated scribe >>>>>> pools, >>>>>> which can be accessed by anyone, to the burgeoning illegal >>>>>> scribe >>>>>> business. To add to their woes, guidelines related to scribes >>>>>> are >>>>>> unclear across the country. >>>>>> SK Singh, says, “The government had come up with the >>>>>> qualification >>>>>> guidelines to curb exam malpractices, but that is only working >>>>>> against >>>>>> students. There can be multiple ways to curb malpractices. Why >>>>>> is the >>>>>> onus not on the invigilators to check if the candidate is >>>>>> using the >>>>>> help of their scribe or not? Putting a cap on the scribe’s >>>>>> qualification curbs visually impaired and other candidates >>>>>> with >>>>>> disabilities to appear for exams.” >>>>>> The General Secretary of the National Platform for the Rights >>>>>> of the >>>>>> Disabled, Muralidharan, said that these norms would only make >>>>>> it more >>>>>> difficult for the candidates to find a scribe. He said, “If a >>>>>> national >>>>>> and state scribe bank will be available, this will >>>>>> automatically curb >>>>>> such practices.” >>>>>> Founder of the All India Conference of the Blind, J L Paul, >>>>>> said, >>>>>> “Under Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 2016, all >>>>>> visually >>>>>> impaired people have the right to education and the government >>>>>> should >>>>>> make sure that they get it. There are no proper efforts made >>>>>> by the >>>>>> government to make sure that all visually impaired students >>>>>> get a >>>>>> scribe. For this, a national and a state scribe bank will be >>>>>> very >>>>>> beneficial.” >>>>>> Calling the scribe qualification law draconian, another >>>>>> visually >>>>>> impaired student Animesh, who has done his MA in >>>>>> International >>>>>> Relations from Christ University Bangalore, said, “The >>>>>> government has >>>>>> these rules to avoid malpractice but at the same time our >>>>>> infrastructure is not that well developed. So first the >>>>>> government >>>>>> should develop a network and then come up with such >>>>>> guidelines. Like >>>>>> Ola and Uber, there should be online scribe pool apps through >>>>>> which we >>>>>> can check the scribe’s qualifications and practise with >>>>>> them.” >>>>>> This story is produced as part of the Laadli Media Fellowship >>>>>> 2022 >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.news18.com/news/education-career/form-charging-lakhs-to-offering-proxy-candidates-is-exam-scribe-service-turning-into-business-5624815.html >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> What’s most important is to put the person first, the >>>>>> disability >>>>>> second Because we all are people first. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the >>>>>> thinking of >>>>>> the >>>>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>>>>> veracity; >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. 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