Dear Access Indians, I would like to put forward the following points,
1. Regarding the qualification criteria: I don't think that fixing the qualification criteria will be a good idea. In some places getting a good scribe is a difficult task, in such situation if the criteria is fixed it will become more difficult. If the criteria is fixed as one grade lower than the minimum qualification, when we go for examinations which are competitive in nature, the scribe may be or may not be able to understand the answer/equation quickly. As a result, the candidate has to repeat the answer/equation to record it correctly in the answer sheet. This reduces the competency of the candidate in the competitive examinations which are time bound as well. So fixing the educational qualification will not be favourable for visually challenged candidates. For example when I say the equation "A plus B divided by A minus B the whole raise to N minus 1", the scribe who is not even familiar with such equations may interpret the same in many ways such as a. the "whole raise to N" applicable only to the "A minus B portion" b. The whole raise to N applicable to the entire "A plus B divided by A minus B" portion c. the "minus 1" applicable to the entire "A plus B divided by A minus B the whole raise to N" portion d. The minus 1 applicable only to the "A minus B" portion So ultimately to arrive at the right answer the candidate has to work out the same problem for couple of times. This time taking activity badly affects the competency of the candidate. In this scenario, even if the candidate has excellence, the success of the candidate depends up on the quality of the scribe as well. 2. Computer and Braille as examination mode: All the visually challenged people especially the people who are not visually challenged by birth might not be comfortable with Braille. Regarding the computer proficiency, I think only a minority group of people among us are confident to take up a competitive examination using computer. So forcing the visually challenged candidates to opt for either computer or Braille may demoralise the applicants. 3. Provision of scribe by the examination body: Generally the quality of the scribe provided by the examination conducting authority is very poor which also affects the competency of the candidate. So the applicants should have an option to bring their own scribe. So I would like to support the following views expressed by other list members 1. The applicant should have the freedom to bring his/her scribe 2. The qualification criteria of the scribe should not be fixed. Even if the qualification criteria is fixed in the worse case, the fixed criteria should be reasonable to accommodate a good scribe without doing injustice to the competency of the applicant) 3. The applicant should have an option to choose the mode of examination such as scribe, computer and Braille 4. If we compromise in the UPSC and SSC examinations, for sure the other examination bodies will take advantage of it which would prevent the blooming visually impaired talents from entering the main stream 5. In case of UPSC and SSC examinations, none of the candidates are selected without a personal interview. So even if a candidate gets through the written examination by cheating, he/she will not survive the interview. So it is sure that the undeserving candidates will never find a place in the finishing point. Best Regards, Jerin Jose Cell: +91-9539510031 On 6/21/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Whatever it is, but it doesn't justify engaging the scribe who is > senior to you in the same discipline. > The same problem is with students of languages. The easy solution is > that, just request the college to arrange the scribe who know the > particular terminology. > And the funny thing is that they don't have any problem with the > scribe appointed by them, even though he is a student of PhD in the > same discipline. Mean it has some apprehension in their mind with > respect to the scribe arranged by the candidate himself. and this > unsound speculation was upto a level in the mind of professors of Law > Faculty Delhi University, that even they didn't allow me to engage a > student pursuing LL.B for my LL.M exams. > At that time DU was having its own guidelines (2013), now they have > adopted MSJE guidelines, I don't know whats the condition presently. > > > > On 6/20/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> For your reference, sighting an example. >> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which is >> only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs. >> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM", "Measurement >> of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc". >> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who >> hasn't even seen them before? >> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her right >> the equation correctly? >> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past. >> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew >> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he manage >> to do this in so- called time limit? >> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career? >> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/ equation >> correctly? >> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the >> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not >> involved? >> Hope this clarifies things. >> Regards, >> Ajay >> >> >> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows all >>> the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you? If one >>> person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who is junior >>> from the same stream who know how to write those particular symbols? >>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have >>> passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing. Is it >>> too hard? >>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be >>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating >>> etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam. >>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called MSJE >>> guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause. >>> >>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I have following things to say. >>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on qualification >>>> isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown malpractices by the >>>> candidates. >>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in banks by >>>> greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw of system and >>>> other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of them. Here I fully >>>> agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen the >>>> practical side of it in this country's one of the most prestigious >>>> business school. >>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because the >>>> person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is over >>>> qualified and the other one which is allowed by the examining body >>>> doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget about my >>>> preparation and teach him how to read and right that particular >>>> content? >>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the candidates to >>>> use screenreaders. >>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal has a >>>> workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that the >>>> system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader user's >>>> perspective? >>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the exams >>>> can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost. >>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage of >>>> mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big concern >>>> for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a CCTV have to >>>> rely on human beings only. >>>> >>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt >>>> anyone's feelings. >>>> Regards, >>>> Ajay >>>> >>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check >>>>> malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition like >>>>> lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone Age. >>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in terms >>>>> of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system rather than, over >>>>> the most deprived and neglected poor blind candidates. >>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm of >>>>> the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and open-mindedly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote: >>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned ones are simply >>>>>> legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create only >>>>>> inefficient >>>>>> and unskilled blind mass. Please remember, it was easy for >>>>>> unskilled >>>>>> people to survive in 19th and 20th century because they did have >>>>>> plenty >>>>>> of >>>>>> works to do. But today, the situation has completely changed. >>>>>> Imagine >>>>>> if >>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels. I knew >>>>>> about >>>>>> >>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams with >>>>>> blind >>>>>> students before the exams and, in this process, dull students were >>>>>> ensured >>>>>> best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing newspaper >>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did better than all >>>>>> other >>>>>> schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination. If such >>>>>> guidelines >>>>>> >>>>>> are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind who >>>>>> are >>>>>> interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind individuals, >>>>>> then >>>>>> there is no point in arguing about this subject. >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>> accessibility >>>>>> of >>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please >>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> 1. 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AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>> mails >>> sent through this mailing list.. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ajay Minocha >> Mob : +91-9584076767 >> E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com >> p13aj...@iimidr.ac.in >> Skype: ajayminocha2 >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. 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