For me the question is not so much 'What is enlightenment?', the big question is 'How will I know enlightenment took place?'. That remained unanswered. Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:34:13 To: roomsearching<[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<[email protected]>; Advaita<[email protected]> Subject: Re: tinnitus Thanks RS I will try and see what happens. Sent from an iPhone On 23 Jul 2010, at 06:19, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark, > > I was very much driven by my quest to find "what is real?" and "who am I?" . > This was enough to keep me in that self-enquiry for a year. > If this exercise bores you, I think you may have to find another way. > As UG used to say, you have to have a burning question. For UG, it was "What > is enlightenment?" > For me it was, "What is real? " . At first, I believed that "I am" was the > reality. > So I happily stayed in the "I am" until a few changes happened. > Finally to my surprise, there was no "I am" and there was another "I" which > had arisen. > It was the Self. > > The steps are as follows : > > 1) Ask yourself "Who am I?" > 2) Observe the subtle changes that take place when you ask this question. > 3)Look for any concentrated spots of awareness which build up when you ask > this question. > 4)When you find a small pin point of awareness as the centre of all this > questioning, it will be the Self. > > I am sure this can be broken down into many more steps. > > But also if you eat only fruits and vegetables for a few days, this can be > more helpful to your Self-enquiry. > > If you want more instructions on Self Enquiry, please read Ramana's > instructions. You can go to this link : > http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/bookstall/downloadbooks.html > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> > wrote: > Yes but how RS > > I am genuinely interested and willing to believe you know the steps > > Set me some exercises and I will do them > > Thanks > > Mark > > Sent from an iPhone > > On 22 Jul 2010, at 17:12, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No, it is not. Try for a few days. Don't post until you find it. >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:11 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I can't find it, where is it? >> All I can find is a void. Is that it? >> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone >> >> From: roomsearching <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:09:09 +0100 >> To: Mark Ty-Wharton<[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]>; Advaita<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: tinnitus >> >> The steps are like this : >> >> 1) Ask yourself "Who am I ?" with a deep feeling. Keep asking this >> continuously for a few days. >> >> >> 2) Try to locate it.... is it from your head ? Where are you ? Who are you >> ? what are you ? Keep asking. >> Look for where "I" is arising from within your field of consciousness. It >> has to be from within you. Where is it ? >> >> The source will be revealed. Be patient and keep repeating this exercise. >> There is a centre of your whole being. >> The answer can be found. Trust me. It is the central switch of your whole >> system. >> >> >> >> Use your own awareness to find its source. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Okay, willing to try your method. >> >> Give me specific instructions say ten steps - how to sit - what to say - >> where to look? >> >> I disagree that the person disappears forever, then again I would >> >> an experience of enlightenment happened in my car >> >> there was bliss >> >> it was a bit boring, like taking heroin >> >> lasted hours >> >> got annoying >> >> I (or should I say annoyance and frustration) came back >> >> Bliss is available >> >> And... >> >> >> On 22 July 2010 14:14, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> All experience arises because of your consciousness which perceives >> everything around you. >> So consciousness comes out of its source, gives life to the sense organs and >> enjoys the world of sensory experiences. >> In reality there is only you and all experiences are only your experiences. >> All that you have ever known is only your own memory and perception recorded >> in your brain. >> There are no others. There is only you. >> And that you is powered by consciousness which arises from the source. >> To find the source, you have to do Self Enquiry. >> When you find the source, all that you are looking for in the world becomes >> meaningless. >> Because all that you are searching for is only your source because of the >> wholeness and bliss which it is. >> All the laws, morals, religions, history, science in your brain is only >> useless because it is all powered by consciousness. >> It arises from a hole in your chest. Find it! >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> How can the source of all experience be experienced? >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone >> >> From: roomsearching <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:50:24 +0100 >> To: Mark Ty-Wharton<[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected]<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: tinnitus >> >> Unless you find the source of the Self, just knowing that you are awareness >> is not yet Self-realization. >> It is only partial. >> To complete the process, you have to find the source. >> When the source is found, the person will never be able to arise again. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> The point you are missing RS is that self-realisation doesn't happen to >> anyone >> >> YOU cannot be self realised - nobody can - the realisation is the >> recognition that YOU made YOU up >> >> Then YOU simply disappear, fall away, in the arising awareness >> >> But YOU are not the awareness >> >> Awareness just IS >> >> Realisation just IS >> >> Nothing happens to a person >> >> The PERSON arises again in the awareness >> >> But if the PERSON now claims to be self-realised, then enlightenment is >> again lost. >> >> Take a step back into yourself and question the questioner >> >> Who is it that is self realised? >> >> If you see what there is to be seen there will be an understanding of the >> apparent ridicule showing up in this group. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Now choose... >> >> Aha? >> >> Or? >> >> >> On 22 July 2010 12:01, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> Of course, I am facing that anger from many people here. In fact two >> strangers by the name Vijaya and some other idiot (who I called Indian cunts) >> jumped on me and started giving me lectures telling me I have a mental >> problem. This happened exactly at the moment I made the mistake of telling >> everybody here that I am self-realized. Besides, I am facing another failure >> of a person called Sandeep often ridiculing my experiences. I think most >> people think that realization happens to only famous people. And even famous >> people are being slagged off(Osho or UG) as fake, why should I expect >> someone to believe my story ? >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> I used to be vehemently angry about life and people like you would push all >> my buttons and I would react. >> >> Let's get this straight. >> >> I have a long way to go to be in PERMANENT bliss and yet... >> >> When people post in such a way as to rub against my fragile ego, I feel no >> need to react. >> >> The level of bliss I carry and or my current level of dissociation or >> separation from ego is perhaps enough there is a realisation this rubbing up >> against my beliefs about the way things should be is not happening to a "me" >> it is simply happening and the "me" reacts and is mostly ignored. >> >> A "person" trying to be in bliss would almost certainly get annoyed and lash >> out against those upsetting his equilibrium. >> >> When you give up the pretence of self realisation and the counter pretence >> of anger, name calling and self righteousness, you can throw away the books >> you cling to! >> >> Sent from an iPhone >> >> On 22 Jul 2010, at 05:45, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> All the physical symptoms are of Kundalini, so there is no question of >>> going to a hospital with Kundalini.I understand that you are some bastard >>> who has no respect for the word "Kundalini" when so many people are having >>> genuine experiences of it. >>> >>> There is a difference between the belief "I am self-realized" and the fact >>> that "I am self-realized". >>> If you fell down from a tree, you may not believe it ................or you >>> just know it happened. >>> It is not a belief, it is true knowledge. It is true knowing. It is so >>> strong that it can change your life of inconsistencies into a permanent >>> blissful and absolutely still and always in the moment - which cannot >>> happen with a belief. >>> You can just say that you do want to believe that it did not happen to me. >>> So why such a strong belief ? >>> >>> Psylium may be good for you which is your personal belief. >>> But your doctor's prescriptions may not necessarily be applicable to >>> everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Kuber Technologies >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:30 AM, roomsearching <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> There are some physical signs and symptoms which have manifested in my >>> case. >>> >>> >>> If that is so, the urgent and serious( you are big on seriousness isn't it) >>> ... >>> >>> ...need to visit a hospital, specially the psychiatric ward. >>> >>> >>> All the signs agree with the literature and I have confirmed them after >>> almost an year of research. >>> I finally realized that I am self-realized after one year of clarification. >>> >>> >>> The sense of investment in an identity. >>> >>> Just a little intelligence can see that there is no difference between the >>> belief I am Joe-the-plumber and the belief I am self realized. >>> >>> At least Joe silently carries on plumbing. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes people get self-realized but they do not even know it. >>> >>> >>> People do not get self-realized. >>> >>> Whether there is a ranting about it or the advent of a total silence..... >>> >>> ....silence itself apperceiving that in the absence of the other... >>> >>> ...to whom is a proclamation, any proclamation ........to be addressed to. >>> >>> The apperceiving that without a need of a proclamation to be delivered >>> to.......can there ever be a loci of such a proclamation to rest upon.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In your case you come here and write your stupid essays which show your >>> mangled and mutilated mindset. >>> >>> >>> Opinion noted. >>> >>> All you can say is that I should go to a doctor. >>> Obviously you have no idea what the whole game is about. >>> >>> >>> The whole game is a wholesome idea. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So get the basics right before you write something about Advaita. >>> You might sound like someone who knows what non-duality is. >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> >>> But the problem is, you are a still a fucking idiot whose consciousness is >>> still stuck in the basal chakra of the asshole. >>> >>> >>> Again a little, a tiny weeny amount of intelligence could have seen an >>> asshole is a hole. >>> >>> The Mooldhara Chakra is located at the base of the spine. >>> >>> >>> But then maybe a case of chronic constipation could be the cause of all the >>> symptoms on which you have bee researching for a year. >>> >>> Try the natural laxative......Psyllium husk, one teaspoon first thing every >>> morning >>> >>> It's great in clearing up all passages, of all ideations and symptoms. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So first raise your awareness to a higher level which requires seriousness. >>> >>> >>> >>> Naaaah. >>> >>> The patent on idiocy is with RS. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
