It is either happening or not happening in the moment - it cannot take place in the future nor did it ever take place in the past there is only ever now!
Sent from an iPhone On 23 Jul 2010, at 07:47, [email protected] wrote: > For me the question is not so much 'What is enlightenment?', the big question > is 'How will I know enlightenment took place?'. > That remained unanswered. > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > From: Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:34:13 +0100 > To: roomsearching<[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected]<[email protected]>; > Advaita<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: tinnitus > > Thanks RS I will try and see what happens. > > Sent from an iPhone > > On 23 Jul 2010, at 06:19, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> I was very much driven by my quest to find "what is real?" and "who am I?" . >> This was enough to keep me in that self-enquiry for a year. >> If this exercise bores you, I think you may have to find another way. >> As UG used to say, you have to have a burning question. For UG, it was "What >> is enlightenment?" >> For me it was, "What is real? " . At first, I believed that "I am" was the >> reality. >> So I happily stayed in the "I am" until a few changes happened. >> Finally to my surprise, there was no "I am" and there was another "I" which >> had arisen. >> It was the Self. >> >> The steps are as follows : >> >> 1) Ask yourself "Who am I?" >> 2) Observe the subtle changes that take place when you ask this question. >> 3)Look for any concentrated spots of awareness which build up when you ask >> this question. >> 4)When you find a small pin point of awareness as the centre of all this >> questioning, it will be the Self. >> >> I am sure this can be broken down into many more steps. >> >> But also if you eat only fruits and vegetables for a few days, this can be >> more helpful to your Self-enquiry. >> >> If you want more instructions on Self Enquiry, please read Ramana's >> instructions. You can go to this link : >> http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/bookstall/downloadbooks.html >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Yes but how RS >> >> I am genuinely interested and willing to believe you know the steps >> >> Set me some exercises and I will do them >> >> Thanks >> >> Mark >> >> Sent from an iPhone >> >> On 22 Jul 2010, at 17:12, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No, it is not. Try for a few days. Don't post until you find it. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:11 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I can't find it, where is it? >>> All I can find is a void. Is that it? >>> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone >>> >>> From: roomsearching <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:09:09 +0100 >>> To: Mark Ty-Wharton<[email protected]> >>> Cc: <[email protected]>; Advaita<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: tinnitus >>> >>> The steps are like this : >>> >>> 1) Ask yourself "Who am I ?" with a deep feeling. Keep asking this >>> continuously for a few days. >>> >>> >>> 2) Try to locate it.... is it from your head ? Where are you ? Who are you >>> ? what are you ? Keep asking. >>> Look for where "I" is arising from within your field of consciousness. It >>> has to be from within you. Where is it ? >>> >>> The source will be revealed. Be patient and keep repeating this exercise. >>> There is a centre of your whole being. >>> The answer can be found. Trust me. It is the central switch of your whole >>> system. >>> >>> >>> >>> Use your own awareness to find its source. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> Okay, willing to try your method. >>> >>> Give me specific instructions say ten steps - how to sit - what to say - >>> where to look? >>> >>> I disagree that the person disappears forever, then again I would >>> >>> an experience of enlightenment happened in my car >>> >>> there was bliss >>> >>> it was a bit boring, like taking heroin >>> >>> lasted hours >>> >>> got annoying >>> >>> I (or should I say annoyance and frustration) came back >>> >>> Bliss is available >>> >>> And... >>> >>> >>> On 22 July 2010 14:14, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>> All experience arises because of your consciousness which perceives >>> everything around you. >>> So consciousness comes out of its source, gives life to the sense organs >>> and enjoys the world of sensory experiences. >>> In reality there is only you and all experiences are only your experiences. >>> All that you have ever known is only your own memory and perception >>> recorded in your brain. >>> There are no others. There is only you. >>> And that you is powered by consciousness which arises from the source. >>> To find the source, you have to do Self Enquiry. >>> When you find the source, all that you are looking for in the world becomes >>> meaningless. >>> Because all that you are searching for is only your source because of the >>> wholeness and bliss which it is. >>> All the laws, morals, religions, history, science in your brain is only >>> useless because it is all powered by consciousness. >>> It arises from a hole in your chest. Find it! >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> How can the source of all experience be experienced? >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone >>> >>> From: roomsearching <[email protected]> >>> Sender: [email protected] >>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:50:24 +0100 >>> To: Mark Ty-Wharton<[email protected]> >>> Cc: [email protected]<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: tinnitus >>> >>> Unless you find the source of the Self, just knowing that you are awareness >>> is not yet Self-realization. >>> It is only partial. >>> To complete the process, you have to find the source. >>> When the source is found, the person will never be able to arise again. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> The point you are missing RS is that self-realisation doesn't happen to >>> anyone >>> >>> YOU cannot be self realised - nobody can - the realisation is the >>> recognition that YOU made YOU up >>> >>> Then YOU simply disappear, fall away, in the arising awareness >>> >>> But YOU are not the awareness >>> >>> Awareness just IS >>> >>> Realisation just IS >>> >>> Nothing happens to a person >>> >>> The PERSON arises again in the awareness >>> >>> But if the PERSON now claims to be self-realised, then enlightenment is >>> again lost. >>> >>> Take a step back into yourself and question the questioner >>> >>> Who is it that is self realised? >>> >>> If you see what there is to be seen there will be an understanding of the >>> apparent ridicule showing up in this group. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Now choose... >>> >>> Aha? >>> >>> Or? >>> >>> >>> On 22 July 2010 12:01, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Of course, I am facing that anger from many people here. In fact two >>> strangers by the name Vijaya and some other idiot (who I called Indian >>> cunts) >>> jumped on me and started giving me lectures telling me I have a mental >>> problem. This happened exactly at the moment I made the mistake of telling >>> everybody here that I am self-realized. Besides, I am facing another >>> failure of a person called Sandeep often ridiculing my experiences. I think >>> most people think that realization happens to only famous people. And even >>> famous people are being slagged off(Osho or UG) as fake, why should I >>> expect someone to believe my story ? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> I used to be vehemently angry about life and people like you would push all >>> my buttons and I would react. >>> >>> Let's get this straight. >>> >>> I have a long way to go to be in PERMANENT bliss and yet... >>> >>> When people post in such a way as to rub against my fragile ego, I feel no >>> need to react. >>> >>> The level of bliss I carry and or my current level of dissociation or >>> separation from ego is perhaps enough there is a realisation this rubbing >>> up against my beliefs about the way things should be is not happening to a >>> "me" it is simply happening and the "me" reacts and is mostly ignored. >>> >>> A "person" trying to be in bliss would almost certainly get annoyed and >>> lash out against those upsetting his equilibrium. >>> >>> When you give up the pretence of self realisation and the counter pretence >>> of anger, name calling and self righteousness, you can throw away the books >>> you cling to! >>> >>> Sent from an iPhone >>> >>> On 22 Jul 2010, at 05:45, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> All the physical symptoms are of Kundalini, so there is no question of >>>> going to a hospital with Kundalini.I understand that you are some bastard >>>> who has no respect for the word "Kundalini" when so many people are having >>>> genuine experiences of it. >>>> >>>> There is a difference between the belief "I am self-realized" and the fact >>>> that "I am self-realized". >>>> If you fell down from a tree, you may not believe it ................or >>>> you just know it happened. >>>> It is not a belief, it is true knowledge. It is true knowing. It is so >>>> strong that it can change your life of inconsistencies into a permanent >>>> blissful and absolutely still and always in the moment - which cannot >>>> happen with a belief. >>>> You can just say that you do want to believe that it did not happen to me. >>>> So why such a strong belief ? >>>> >>>> Psylium may be good for you which is your personal belief. >>>> But your doctor's prescriptions may not necessarily be applicable to >>>> everyone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Kuber Technologies >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:30 AM, roomsearching <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> There are some physical signs and symptoms which have manifested in my >>>> case. >>>> >>>> >>>> If that is so, the urgent and serious( you are big on seriousness isn't >>>> it) ... >>>> >>>> ...need to visit a hospital, specially the psychiatric ward. >>>> >>>> >>>> All the signs agree with the literature and I have confirmed them after >>>> almost an year of research. >>>> I finally realized that I am self-realized after one year of >>>> clarification. >>>> >>>> >>>> The sense of investment in an identity. >>>> >>>> Just a little intelligence can see that there is no difference between the >>>> belief I am Joe-the-plumber and the belief I am self realized. >>>> >>>> At least Joe silently carries on plumbing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sometimes people get self-realized but they do not even know it. >>>> >>>> >>>> People do not get self-realized. >>>> >>>> Whether there is a ranting about it or the advent of a total silence..... >>>> >>>> ....silence itself apperceiving that in the absence of the other... >>>> >>>> ...to whom is a proclamation, any proclamation ........to be addressed to. >>>> >>>> The apperceiving that without a need of a proclamation to be delivered >>>> to.......can there ever be a loci of such a proclamation to rest upon.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In your case you come here and write your stupid essays which show your >>>> mangled and mutilated mindset. >>>> >>>> >>>> Opinion noted. >>>> >>>> All you can say is that I should go to a doctor. >>>> Obviously you have no idea what the whole game is about. >>>> >>>> >>>> The whole game is a wholesome idea. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So get the basics right before you write something about Advaita. >>>> You might sound like someone who knows what non-duality is. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> But the problem is, you are a still a fucking idiot whose consciousness is >>>> still stuck in the basal chakra of the asshole. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again a little, a tiny weeny amount of intelligence could have seen an >>>> asshole is a hole. >>>> >>>> The Mooldhara Chakra is located at the base of the spine. >>>> >>>> >>>> But then maybe a case of chronic constipation could be the cause of all >>>> the symptoms on which you have bee researching for a year. >>>> >>>> Try the natural laxative......Psyllium husk, one teaspoon first thing >>>> every morning >>>> >>>> It's great in clearing up all passages, of all ideations and symptoms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So first raise your awareness to a higher level which requires seriousness. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Naaaah. >>>> >>>> The patent on idiocy is with RS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
