'I can make a fool of myself and I can make of fool of others.And these are not in reality'.
Nor are these outside reality. On Aug 6, 5:30 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > What is trust ? For what reason should I distrust anyone ? > Trust and distrust are in duality. > There is no trust or distrust. > You seem to imply that I have a fear of someone or something. > Your body-mind does not function based on someone's trust. > Nature has created us and nature will take care of us. > Anger arises naturally but it can be carefully handled with love. > I did not trust or distrust anyone at the time I was in my mother's womb. > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Hughes, Marcus > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Roomsearching, what do you get out of this. They are laughing at you > > and using you as the fool. > > I can make a fool of myself and I can make fool of others. And these are not > in reality. > > > You present yourself as the hopeless case and they enjoy that, it makes > > them feel clever. > > There is no case. There is no hope. There are no feelings and there is no > cleverness. > > > > > There is a better way ……. Please trust someone. Please let someone help > > you. > > There is no way. There is no someone. There is no help. > > > > > You don’t have to be angry. > > There is no anger and there is no me. > > > > > > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* roomsearching [mailto:[email protected]] > > *Sent:* 05 August 2010 17:18 > > *To:* Hughes, Marcus > > *Cc:* Advaita-Zen > > *Subject:* Re: Here's an interesting question > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Marcus <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > . > > > Roomsearching why ??? > > > “It may show that you are an ignoranus in spiritual matters as well.” > > > Your words can be so elegant and inspiring. Why do you repeatedly > > destroy your magic. What forces inside you create beauty, then spoil > > it. > > > The insults roomsearching, why ??? > > > Marcus, if you notice, I have spelt ignoramus as ignoranus. > > Don't you think that is beautiful ? > > > . > > > On Aug 5, 12:56 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Kali, > > > > > Might have been the way you have said. As I said before I like to show > > > > off my igneranse. Did I do a Rodger ? :) > > > > It is spelt as ignorance. I know spelling is not important but don't be > > so > > > ignorant about English language. > > > It may show that you are an ignoranus in spiritual matters as well. > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:39 pm, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Anandanand > > > > > > it is the other way round. The philosophy of Advaita with its > > doctrine > > > > > of non-doership came before the doctrine of karma. > > > > > > Respectfully... > > > > > > Kali > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2:19 pm, Anandanand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > We still have Kings, but they are known by different names. > > > > > > > I didn't get what is the doctrine of no-personal-choice. If that is > > no- > > > > > > doer-nothing getting done, then as per my knowledge this was to > > arrest > > > > > > the karma thing which went on to excess. Though I am not an expert > > on > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2:59 pm, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > People go to the Courts and Judges of their own countries with > > the > > > > > > > expectation of seeing justice done. What they actually find is a > > > > legal > > > > > > > system that favours the ones who can afford the best QC and knows > > how > > > > > > > to "the system works" (timeframes, arguments, negotiations, > > delays > > > > etc > > > > > > > etc). In most cases, justice is not done and is not even seen to > > be > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > Hence, the reason many people resort to religion for justice i.e. > > in > > > > > > > the hope to get justice in an afterlife. > > > > > > > > Also, don't forget that the doctrine of Karma was created shortly > > > > > > > after the doctrine of no-personal-choice was created. The Kings > > were > > > > > > > worried that, if people would think that the people were allowed > > to > > > > do > > > > > > > whatever they wanted, they feared that the poor would revolt > > against > > > > > > > them. Hence, they paid (bribed) the Brahmins who come out with > > the > > > > > > > idea that if the untouchables were so poor was because of > > something > > > > > > > they did in their previou lives (law of karma). As the masses > > trusted > > > > > > > and believed their Brahmins, they accepted to continue to live in > > > > > > > their low conditions and to live in poverty because the Brahmins > > said > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > Love > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:30 am, Anandanand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Kali, > > > > > > > > > > as far as the local laws,rules and regulations are concerned, > > > > then, I > > > > > > > > > have to abide and respect them. As a citizen of a country, it > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > foolish and disrespecful to do otherwise. They are meant to > > allow > > > > > > > > > society to function as a whole. > > > > > > > > > So is Religion. The Judiciary has it's own drawback, so does > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > The difference being, the things are tangible, in most cases, > > in > > > > > > > > Judiciary, where as they are mostly intangible in the case of > > > > > > > > religion, making it in the form of beliefs. All this IMO. > > > > > > > > > In most places in the world, Judiciary has it's benifits. And > > > > places > > > > > > > > where it doesn't, are mostly in chaos. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 12:14 pm, Mahakali <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anandanand > > > > > > > > > > as far as the local laws,rules and regulations are concerned, > > > > then, I > > > > > > > > > have to abide and respect them. As a citizen of a country, it > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > foolish and disrespecful to do otherwise. They are meant to > > allow > > > > > > > > > society to function as a whole. > > > > > > > > > > However, I do not see them as "beliefs" , I see them more as > > > > > > > > > instruments as part of the machinery put in place to run > > > > society.And, > > > > > > > > > of course, there is the right and the wrong of any law or > > > > regulation > > > > > > > > > and this can be taken personally or not as a belief or a > > personal > > > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kali > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 6:46 am, Anandanand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kali, > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant "do not believe in anything (religion included)" > > > > > > > > > > > Do you say the same for the trafic rules or the penal code > > ? I > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > not, just because that will penalise you materially. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 2:04 am, Mahakali <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant "do not believe in anything (religion included)" > > as > > > > in every > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing. However,I suppose that when I say "I do > > not > > > > believe in > > > > > > > > > > > anything" I do not really mean as in "in anything" or > > > > "completely". I > > > > > > > > > > > still have my attachments but I do not have, anylonger, > > > > "strong" > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs of any sort. > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to question more often than I should. > > > > > > > > > > > > You know the saying "when you see a Buddha in the road, > > kill > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > (metaphorically)". > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 10:56 pm, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali, when you say you do not believe in anything, are > > you > > > > meaning you > > > > > > > > > > > > do not believe in any particular religion,or do you > > really > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > anything...at all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:26 am, Mahakali <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like doing a RS: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Religion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no belief.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: raised and brought up as Roman Catholic. 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