On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > On 31 March 2011 14:48, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *Universal consciousness is a part of your body-mind and the whole >> universe. >> The one who asks the question is the temporary construction of the >> mind-body- the "I am" ness which is made up of food essence. * > > > What is FOOD ESSENCE? > * Its just food. The body is just food. Food has the **latent **universal consciousness **in it along with the five elements which provide you with the "I am"ness.The Universal consciousness of the body is one with the universal consciousness of the universe. There is no seperation. * > > >> *Your questions are of no value. It is not going to change anything. >> The body-mind is dying and withering away and you are worried - this is >> not required because you are not it. >> When there is no food, your questions will stop. When there is no food, >> the body and mind will disappear. >> * > > > That's not strictly true. I have a friend who knows a breathearian who is > fit and healthy without food. His mind (and ego) work rather too well :) > * how long can he survive without food ? Has he never eaten food all his life ?* > > >> *Then you are back in the universal consciousness. Then you will not even >> know that you exist. >> It is only by accident that the "I am" ness was created and you are able >> to somehow see your true state. >> Nobody knows why the body-mind was created. >> Most animals have this kind of body-mind. >> But only humans have been intelligent enough to ask intelligent questions. >> >> Even a dog knows "I am". * > > > Do we know that for sure? > *According to the scriptures, Trees are in deep sleep, animals are dreaming and only humans have the consciousness of fully awakened state. The dog may actually not know the "I am". * > > >> *But it does not go beyond it. Humans can do that because some weirdos >> did go beyond it and encouraged the rest of the humans to try it out.Some do >> try it out. But 99% of humans live like animals. Just behaving like >> body-minds. >> In the end, everything is meaningless. Which is why Karma is not required. >> One who discovers his true state understands the futility of all human >> activity and sits still - that is when all your Karma dissolves. The rest of >> the humanity is busy in their activities of finding glory, fame, money and >> fulfilling all their desires. >> * > > > Why stop doing that though? If you understand it is meaningless why fight > against the futility? Surely you are making it mean something that it is > meaningless. If you find yourself in a good job earning millions with two > gorgeous girlfriends who will do anything you want them to etc and karma > isn't required... > *That requires lots of effort, planning, struggle and suffering. And whatever action you do will have its repurcussions. It leads to addiction, dissatisfaction and breeds more desire. Desire is suffering. Whatever is to be desired is inside our hearts - The Self. There is nothing outside but illusion. * > > Let's bang some seven gram rocks, rent some porn stars and put the video on > You Tube... > *And risk getting addicted to drugs or getting STD's. More complications and suffering. * > > >> * At the end of the day, when you go to sleep, you will not ask any >> question. That shows we have 0% control on 50% of our lives. Why do we worry >> about our body-mind in the remaining 50% ? * > > > We worry because we have no control over the worry. > > Why do you think ZEN is a discipline? > *Sure . Zen is not a discipline. It is the end product. The goal of having no goal is Zen. * *Until then you are just a student of Zen. Until a man learns to fly a plane, he is not yet a pilot. Until one is spiritually awakened, nobody is doing Zen. Zen is not a practice. It is the final stage. * > > Because taking on a discipline is a choice :) > *A spiritual choice like Zen is made after a lot of suffering or when someone decides to reach the eternal peaceful state. There is no choice here. Life gives u pain. One way or the other, all roads lead to the Self. People are only trying to escape it using drugs, desires, and all these temporary things. Ultimately, u have to come back to the Zen state. It is not a choice. You had no choice to begin with. You are the Self. You can only be that. Nothing else. * > > Think about it... >
