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On 1 Apr 2011, at 16:48, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 1 April 2011 13:20, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 31 March 2011 14:48, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > Universal consciousness is a part of your body-mind and the whole universe. > The one who asks the question is the temporary construction of the mind-body- > the "I am" ness which is made up of food essence. > > What is FOOD ESSENCE? > > Its just food. The body is just food. Food has the latent universal > consciousness in it along with the five elements which provide you with the > "I am"ness.The Universal consciousness of the body is one with the universal > consciousness of the universe. There is no seperation. > > Sorry, I am still not getting this. I am food? Okay I can see that as a > possibility if I am being eaten by a leopard - what does five elements mean? > What are the five elements? Can you break it down a bit to basics for me, > thanks. > > That basically means, your body is a bunch of cells acting according to the > laws of chemistry - biochemistry. According to the scriptures, the five > elements are air, fire, water, earth and sky or whatever. But basically it > means chemical reactions. The body is really a cluster of cells. It does not > need much except your breathing. It can be quite comfortable without you > doing anything at all. Leave the body alone. BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO SCRATCH MY ARSE? > > > > Your questions are of no value. It is not going to change anything. > The body-mind is dying and withering away and you are worried - this is not > required because you are not it. > When there is no food, your questions will stop. When there is no food, the > body and mind will disappear. > > That's not strictly true. I have a friend who knows a breathearian who is fit > and healthy without food. His mind (and ego) work rather too well :) > > how long can he survive without food ? Has he never eaten food all his life ? > > I do not know > > > > > Then you are back in the universal consciousness. Then you will not even know > that you exist. > It is only by accident that the "I am" ness was created and you are able to > somehow see your true state. > Nobody knows why the body-mind was created. > Most animals have this kind of body-mind. > But only humans have been intelligent enough to ask intelligent questions. > Even a dog knows "I am". > > Do we know that for sure? > > According to the scriptures, Trees are in deep sleep, animals are dreaming > and only humans have the consciousness of fully awakened state. The dog may > actually not know the "I am". > > Okay > > > But it does not go beyond it. Humans can do that because some weirdos did go > beyond it and encouraged the rest of the humans to try it out.Some do try it > out. But 99% of humans live like animals. Just behaving like body-minds. > In the end, everything is meaningless. Which is why Karma is not required. > One who discovers his true state understands the futility of all human > activity and sits still - that is when all your Karma dissolves. The rest of > the humanity is busy in their activities of finding glory, fame, money and > fulfilling all their desires. > > Why stop doing that though? If you understand it is meaningless why fight > against the futility? Surely you are making it mean something that it is > meaningless. If you find yourself in a good job earning millions with two > gorgeous girlfriends who will do anything you want them to etc and karma > isn't required... > That requires lots of effort, planning, struggle and suffering. And whatever > action you do will have its repurcussions. It leads to addiction, > dissatisfaction and breeds more desire. Desire is suffering. Whatever is to > be desired is inside our hearts - The Self. There is nothing outside but > illusion. > > Okay, yes I get that. I think the point I was making is why not allow the > futility instead of fighting against it. > > The futile actions are directed by the misguided mind or the ego. The five > senses are like horses which pull you around everywhere without any control. > The real controller is the Soul who has to control the five senses. But your > ignorance makes you think that you are the horse. One horse wants good food. > Another horse wants to get drunk. Another horse wants to have sex. It is just > the sense organs being fuelled more and more by your desires. Desire breeds > more desire. following on in the same analogy I don't think I am the horses and it has been seen that there is no soul who has to control anything - the horses simply give up and go away when they aren't given any importance - if there is an I to feed the horses by buying into their stampede it all goes awry! > > > > Let's bang some seven gram rocks, rent some porn stars and put the video on > You Tube... > And risk getting addicted to drugs or getting STD's. More complications and > suffering. > > Sure, but again the point I am making is if it truly is meaningless then why > worry about that? > > If you had really realized it is meaningless, you would not ask questions > like that. Peace is your real nature. All this wild excitement is the > temptations created by the senses and the desire for pleasure. When you get > some pleasure, you get fed up with it. You want something different. You want > something better. There is no end to it. A realized man would just sit down, > have a cup of tea and enjoy the Or seven grams of coke - what is the difference? > Beingness is blissful. Why do you need anything more than that ? Any sense > pleasure is subject to the material world - 5 elements. Why do you want such > temporary illusory experiences ? And pleasure and pain are defined by you. > Pain can be pleasureable. But pain is guaranteed in life. Pleasure comes very > seldom. > > > > At the end of the day, when you go to sleep, you will not ask any question. > That shows we have 0% control on 50% of our lives. Why do we worry about our > body-mind in the remaining 50% ? > > We worry because we have no control over the worry. > You can control them if you know who you are. You are not the worries. Say > good bye to them. Just hold on to the "I am" because that is the only thing > you know is true. Don't hold on to anything you know is unreal. > > Why do you think ZEN is a discipline? > > Sure . Zen is not a discipline. It is the end product. The goal of having no > goal is Zen. Until then you are just a student of Zen. Until a man learns to > fly a plane, he is not yet a pilot. Until one is spiritually awakened, nobody > is doing Zen. > Zen is not a practice. It is the final stage. > > I think Zen is a process and once spiritual awakening happens then and only > then nobody is doing ZEN > Dont concentrate on the process. The goal is right there. Reach it. Why do > you need a 107 different steps to reach the reality ? > > > Because taking on a discipline is a choice :) > > A spiritual choice like Zen is made after a lot of suffering or when someone > decides to reach the eternal peaceful state. > There is no choice here. Life gives u pain. One way or the other, all roads > lead to the Self. People are only trying to escape it using drugs, desires, > and all these temporary things. Ultimately, u have to come back to the Zen > state. > It is not a choice. You had no choice to begin with. You are the Self. You > can only be that. Nothing else. > > Think about it... > >
