On Apr 2, 4:10 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > Sent from an iPhone > > On 1 Apr 2011, at 16:48, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 1 April 2011 13:20, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > On 31 March 2011 14:48, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > Universal consciousness is a part of your body-mind and the whole universe. > > The one who asks the question is the temporary construction of the > > mind-body- the "I am" ness which is made up of food essence. > > > What is FOOD ESSENCE? > > > Its just food. The body is just food. Food has the latent universal > > consciousness in it along with the five elements which provide you with the > > "I am"ness.The Universal consciousness of the body is one with the > > universal consciousness of the universe. There is no seperation. > > > Sorry, I am still not getting this. I am food? Okay I can see that as a > > possibility if I am being eaten by a leopard - what does five elements > > mean? What are the five elements? Can you break it down a bit to basics for > > me, thanks. > > > That basically means, your body is a bunch of cells acting according to the > > laws of chemistry - biochemistry. According to the scriptures, the five > > elements are air, fire, water, earth and sky or whatever. But basically it > > means chemical reactions. The body is really a cluster of cells. It does > > not need much except your breathing. It can be quite comfortable without > > you doing anything at all. Leave the body alone. > > BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO SCRATCH MY ARSE?
does this happen often? > > > > > > > Your questions are of no value. It is not going to change anything. > > The body-mind is dying and withering away and you are worried - this is not > > required because you are not it. > > When there is no food, your questions will stop. When there is no food, the > > body and mind will disappear. > > > That's not strictly true. I have a friend who knows a breathearian who is > > fit and healthy without food. His mind (and ego) work rather too well :) > > > how long can he survive without food ? Has he never eaten food all his life > > ? > > > I do not know > > > Then you are back in the universal consciousness. Then you will not even > > know that you exist. > > It is only by accident that the "I am" ness was created and you are able to > > somehow see your true state. > > Nobody knows why the body-mind was created. > > Most animals have this kind of body-mind. > > But only humans have been intelligent enough to ask intelligent questions. > > Even a dog knows "I am". > > > Do we know that for sure? > > > According to the scriptures, Trees are in deep sleep, animals are dreaming > > and only humans have the consciousness of fully awakened state. The dog > > may actually not know the "I am". > > > Okay > > > But it does not go beyond it. Humans can do that because some weirdos did > > go beyond it and encouraged the rest of the humans to try it out.Some do > > try it out. But 99% of humans live like animals. Just behaving like > > body-minds. > > In the end, everything is meaningless. Which is why Karma is not required. > > One who discovers his true state understands the futility of all human > > activity and sits still - that is when all your Karma dissolves. The rest > > of the humanity is busy in their activities of finding glory, fame, money > > and fulfilling all their desires. > > > Why stop doing that though? If you understand it is meaningless why fight > > against the futility? Surely you are making it mean something that it is > > meaningless. If you find yourself in a good job earning millions with two > > gorgeous girlfriends who will do anything you want them to etc and karma > > isn't required... > > That requires lots of effort, planning, struggle and suffering. And > > whatever action you do will have its repurcussions. It leads to addiction, > > dissatisfaction and breeds more desire. Desire is suffering. Whatever is to > > be desired is inside our hearts - The Self. There is nothing outside but > > illusion. > > > Okay, yes I get that. I think the point I was making is why not allow the > > futility instead of fighting against it. > > > The futile actions are directed by the misguided mind or the ego. The five > > senses are like horses which pull you around everywhere without any > > control. The real controller is the Soul who has to control the five > > senses. But your ignorance makes you think that you are the horse. One > > horse wants good food. Another horse wants to get drunk. Another horse > > wants to have sex. It is just the sense organs being fuelled more and more > > by your desires. Desire breeds more desire. > > following on in the same analogy I don't think I am the horses and it has > been seen that there is no soul who has to control anything - the horses > simply give up and go away when they aren't given any importance - if there > is an I to feed the horses by buying into their stampede it all goes awry! > > > > > Let's bang some seven gram rocks, rent some porn stars and put the video on > > You Tube... > > And risk getting addicted to drugs or getting STD's. More complications and > > suffering. > > > Sure, but again the point I am making is if it truly is meaningless then > > why worry about that? > > > If you had really realized it is meaningless, you would not ask questions > > like that. Peace is your real nature. All this wild excitement is the > > temptations created by the senses and the desire for pleasure. When you get > > some pleasure, you get fed up with it. You want something different. You > > want something better. There is no end to it. A realized man would just sit > > down, have a cup of tea and enjoy the > > Or seven grams of coke - what is the difference? or just scrath your arse? > > > Beingness is blissful. Why do you need anything more than that ? Any > > sense pleasure is subject to the material world - 5 elements. Why do you > > want such temporary illusory experiences ? And pleasure and pain are > > defined by you. Pain can be pleasureable. But pain is guaranteed in life. > > Pleasure comes very seldom. > > > At the end of the day, when you go to sleep, you will not ask any question. > > That shows we have 0% control on 50% of our lives. Why do we worry about > > our body-mind in the remaining 50% ? > > > We worry because we have no control over the worry. > > You can control them if you know who you are. You are not the worries. Say > > good bye to them. Just hold on to the "I am" because that is the only > > thing you know is true. Don't hold on to anything you know is unreal. > > > Why do you think ZEN is a discipline? > > > Sure . Zen is not a discipline. It is the end product. The goal of having > > no goal is Zen. Until then you are just a student of Zen. Until a man > > learns to fly a plane, he is not yet a pilot. Until one is spiritually > > awakened, nobody is doing Zen. > > Zen is not a practice. It is the final stage. > > > I think Zen is a process and once spiritual awakening happens then and only > > then nobody is doing ZEN > > Dont concentrate on the process. The goal is right there. Reach it. Why do > > you need a 107 different steps to reach the reality ? > > > Because taking on a discipline is a choice :) > > > A spiritual choice like Zen is made after a lot of suffering or when > > someone decides to reach the eternal peaceful state. > > There is no choice here. Life gives u pain. One way or the other, all roads > > lead to the Self. People are only trying to escape it using drugs, desires, > > and all these temporary things. Ultimately, u have to come back to the Zen > > state. > > It is not a choice. You had no choice to begin with. You are the Self. You > > can only be that. Nothing else. > > > Think about it...
