On 1 April 2011 13:20, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> On 31 March 2011 14:48, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Universal consciousness is a part of your body-mind and the whole >>> universe. >>> The one who asks the question is the temporary construction of the >>> mind-body- the "I am" ness which is made up of food essence. * >> >> >> What is FOOD ESSENCE? >> > * > Its just food. The body is just food. Food has the **latent **universal > consciousness **in it along with the five elements which provide you with > the "I am"ness.The Universal consciousness of the body is one with the > universal consciousness of the universe. There is no seperation. * > Sorry, I am still not getting this. I am food? Okay I can see that as a possibility if I am being eaten by a leopard - what does five elements mean? What are the five elements? Can you break it down a bit to basics for me, thanks. > > >> >>> *Your questions are of no value. It is not going to change anything. >>> The body-mind is dying and withering away and you are worried - this is >>> not required because you are not it. >>> When there is no food, your questions will stop. When there is no food, >>> the body and mind will disappear. >>> * >> >> >> That's not strictly true. I have a friend who knows a breathearian who is >> fit and healthy without food. His mind (and ego) work rather too well :) >> > * > how long can he survive without food ? Has he never eaten food all his > life ?* > I do not know > > >> >> >>> *Then you are back in the universal consciousness. Then you will not >>> even know that you exist. >>> It is only by accident that the "I am" ness was created and you are able >>> to somehow see your true state. >>> Nobody knows why the body-mind was created. >>> Most animals have this kind of body-mind. >>> But only humans have been intelligent enough to ask intelligent >>> questions. >>> Even a dog knows "I am". * >> >> >> Do we know that for sure? >> > > *According to the scriptures, Trees are in deep sleep, animals are > dreaming and only humans have the consciousness of fully awakened state. > The dog may actually not know the "I am". * > Okay > > >> >>> *But it does not go beyond it. Humans can do that because some weirdos >>> did go beyond it and encouraged the rest of the humans to try it out.Some do >>> try it out. But 99% of humans live like animals. Just behaving like >>> body-minds. >>> In the end, everything is meaningless. Which is why Karma is not >>> required. One who discovers his true state understands the futility of all >>> human activity and sits still - that is when all your Karma dissolves. The >>> rest of the humanity is busy in their activities of finding glory, fame, >>> money and fulfilling all their desires. >>> * >> >> >> Why stop doing that though? If you understand it is meaningless why fight >> against the futility? Surely you are making it mean something that it is >> meaningless. If you find yourself in a good job earning millions with two >> gorgeous girlfriends who will do anything you want them to etc and karma >> isn't required... >> > *That requires lots of effort, planning, struggle and suffering. And > whatever action you do will have its repurcussions. It leads to addiction, > dissatisfaction and breeds more desire. Desire is suffering. Whatever is to > be desired is inside our hearts - The Self. There is nothing outside but > illusion. * > Okay, yes I get that. I think the point I was making is why not allow the futility instead of fighting against it. > > >> >> Let's bang some seven gram rocks, rent some porn stars and put the video >> on You Tube... >> > *And risk getting addicted to drugs or getting STD's. More complications > and suffering. * > Sure, but again the point I am making is if it truly is meaningless then why worry about that? > >> >>> * At the end of the day, when you go to sleep, you will not ask any >>> question. That shows we have 0% control on 50% of our lives. Why do we worry >>> about our body-mind in the remaining 50% ? * >> >> >> We worry because we have no control over the worry. >> >> Why do you think ZEN is a discipline? >> > > *Sure . Zen is not a discipline. It is the end product. The goal of having > no goal is Zen. * *Until then you are just a student of Zen. Until a man > learns to fly a plane, he is not yet a pilot. Until one is spiritually > awakened, nobody is doing Zen. > Zen is not a practice. It is the final stage. > * > I think Zen is a process and once spiritual awakening happens then and only then nobody is doing ZEN > ** > >> >> Because taking on a discipline is a choice :) >> > > *A spiritual choice like Zen is made after a lot of suffering or when > someone decides to reach the eternal peaceful state. > There is no choice here. Life gives u pain. One way or the other, all roads > lead to the Self. People are only trying to escape it using drugs, desires, > and all these temporary things. Ultimately, u have to come back to the Zen > state. > It is not a choice. You had no choice to begin with. You are the Self. You > can only be that. Nothing else. > * > >> >> Think about it... >> >
