So far, we have a very good experience with Together Designer 2006 from Borland. Light years away from the toy designer in VS 2005.
http://www.borland.com/downloads/download_together.html Sébastien > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:ADVANCED- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Cowan > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:46 PM > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] has there been a service pack for .net > 2.0? > > I find the SQL Server 2005 tools also a nightmare. > I did a lengthy SSIS project which nearly finished me off. > > Because the SSIS packages's native format is xml it was taking > sometimes 20 minutes to load the project. > The management studio crashes. > We have also bought into the whole Team Foundation Server which dare I > say is also buggy. > MSBuild is just a poor man's NAnt and the Unit testing project is a > poor man's NUnit. > Still regardless of the present issues, they just plough on with VS > 2020 or whatever. > I am annoyed. Is there a good case tool that can be used for .NET > which will constantly update my model and vice versa? > Am I alone in hating the class designer with Microsoft's typical own > version of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:30:26 -0600> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] has there been a service pack for .net > 2.0?> To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM> > I hope when I grow up > I can be a cool programmer like you, maybe I'll find> out what that > build menu does soon.> > -----Original Message-----> From: Discussion > of advanced .NET topics.> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Frans Bouma> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:57 AM> > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] > has there been a service pack for .net 2.0?> > > You're right. I just > play with the toolbars.. there's so many icons to> play> > with .> > > seriously: anyone who says that vs.net 2005 is very useful, hasn't> > done a lot of webform/winform development. I can crank> out a lot of > code for libraries in a couple of hours but with> webforms/winforms > stuff, it simply stops, there are so many little> stupid things which > raise the stressbar and make you stop being productive> it's stunning.> > > The webform editor alone is IMHO reason enough to quit Atlas dev for> > now and move the team to fixing the stuff people have> to work with > TODAY.> > FB> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Discussion > of advanced .NET topics.> > [mailto:ADVANCED- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frans Bouma> > Sent: Thursday, > November 23, 2006 5:19 AM> > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM> > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] has there been a service pack for .net > 2.0?> >> > > I think VS2005 is Heads and Shoulders above VS2003. > There's a few> quirks> > > with the Forms designer and build state, but > other than that, nothing> bad> > > springs to mind. (Presuming you have > GB's of RAM... anything less than> 1GB> > > is torture)> >> > I see you > never did any ASP.NET development or a lot of Winforms> GUI> > > development...> >> > FB> >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics.> > > [mailto:ADVANCED- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Cowan> > > Sent: Thursday, > November 23, 2006 4:09 AM> > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM> > > > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] has there been a service pack > for .net> 2.0?> > >> > > Is anyone else dissatisfiedIs anyone else > dissatisfied with the tools> for> > > VS2005. I have been using VS2005 > for about 10 months and find it very> > > buggy.> > >> > > I also had > the misfortune to use SQL Server 2005 SSIS which was a most> > > > regrettable experience.> > >> > > Microsoft being Microsoft, there is > no service pack and they are forging> > > ahead with .NET 3.0 without a > care to their current toolset being> riddled> > > with bugs.> > > Does > everyone use VS 2005 or is there maybe a better alternative to this> > > way> > > of developing.> > >> > > I love the framework but hate the > tools.> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 > 19:19:45 -0600> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > Subject: Re: > [ADVANCED-DOTNET] has there been a service pack for .net> > 2.0?>> > > > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM> > On my Windows Vista > Ultimate> > x64> > > RTM, the version is 2.0.50727.312> > > ----- > Original Message-----> From:> > > Discussion of advanced .NET topics.>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith > Hill>> > Sent:> > > Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:38 PM> To:> > > > ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM> Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] > has> > > there been a service pack for .net 2.0?> > > -----Original > Message----->> >> > > From: Julia Lerman > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday,> > > November 20, > 2006 7:44 PM> > Subject: Re: has there been a service pack> > for> > > > .net 2.0?> >> > There will be some "tweaks" to .NET 2.0 framework to> > avoid> > > some> > compatibility issues with the .NET 3.0 APIs.> >> > > Quoting Scott> > > Nonnenburg who left this comment on one of my blog > posts:> > "We've made> > > SP-level fixes to .NET 2.0 components, doing > our best to avoid> >> breaking> > > changes."> >> > Perhaps that > explains why .NET 2.0 on XP (2.0.50727.42)> is> > > different > than> .NET 2.0 on Vista (2.0.50727.308)?> > --> Keith> >> > > > ===================================> This list is hosted by> > DevelopMentor.> > > http://www.develop.com> > View archives and manage > your subscription(s)> at> > > http://discuss.develop.com> > > ===================================> This> > list> > > is hosted by > DevelopMentorR http://www.develop.com> > View archives and> > > manage > your subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com> > > > ===================================> > > This list is hosted by > DevelopMentorR http://www.develop.com> > >> > > View archives and > manage your subscription(s) at> > http://discuss.develop.com> > >> > > > ===================================> > > This list is hosted by > DevelopMentor. http://www.develop.com> > >> > > View archives and > manage your subscription(s) at> > http://discuss.develop.com> >> > > ===================================> > This list is hosted by > DevelopMentor. http://www.develop.com> >> > View archives and manage > your subscription(s) at> http://discuss.develop.com> >> > > ===================================> > This list is hosted by > DevelopMentor. http://www.develop.com> >> > View archives and manage > your subscription(s) at> http://discuss.develop.com> > > ===================================> This list is hosted by > DevelopMentor. http://www.develop.com> > View archives and manage your > subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com> > > ===================================> This list is hosted by > DevelopMentor® http://www.develop.com> > View archives and manage your > subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com > =================================== > This list is hosted by DevelopMentor® http://www.develop.com > > View archives and manage your subscription(s) at > http://discuss.develop.com =================================== This list is hosted by DevelopMentor® http://www.develop.com View archives and manage your subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com
