I'm conflating excellence and achievement out of a kind of social idealism --
i.e. I want a high status for those things I consider excellent -- so I don't
really accept the ordinary markers for achievement.

Did you know that Josh Groban's "Noel" was the best selling album of 2007 ? I
realize that's considered a great achievement -- both for him,  the producers,
the music industry staff who promoted it, and even for Oprah who pitched it on
her show.

But would I consider it an achievement ? Actually -- I don't think I'm ever
going to listen to it -- I just can't stand the syrupy over-production that
abuses his talent -- so I guess I'm being a little closed-minded here -- but
life is short -- and there's so many other albums I'd rather try out.

For me, achievement in the imaginative arts is making something that I'd
recognize as necessary -- or as WC would call it -- "excellent/beautiful"

I'm picking the word 'necessary' because I think that's at the heart of the
matter.

Obviously, nothing is necessary before you've experienced it -- my life would
have continued quite happily without ever having stumbled upon that Met
production of "Hansel and Gretel" last night on public television.  But having
stayed awake to see it -- yes -- now I feel it was necessary -- necessary to
that sea of memories in which I'm now swimming.

I realize this is a self-centered approach to excellence as well as
achievement -- but I question whether any other approach can be proven to be
more appropriate regarding the imaginative arts -- given that we all
experience things quite differently - and why try to eliminate those
differences ?

And I'd further propose -- that when people are the most focused on what they
really like -- setting aside their various ideologies -- they will eventually
end up in the same place -- or at least a similar place.

I'm raising the issue of ideology -- because I suspect that's really what's
behind the differences between WC and I regarding Manship, Art Deco, and the
19th C. Academy System.  The imaginative arts are always going to be at the
center of social controversy and so be accompanied by competing ideologies.
William and I have ended up on different teams -- but there's seems to be a
very large set of things that both of us like -- or intrepidly identify as
"excellent". (and curiously -- I can't recall him ever speaking of any
canonical modern artist with the same reverence he seems to have for Jacques
Louis David, that paragon of French Academicism)

And I'd propose that ideology might also explain why prizes are currently less
important in the visual arts than they are in music and literature.

A kind of revolutionary  ideology has triumphed and consolidated power in the
visual arts way beyond its successes elsewhere.





On the topic of excellence and achievement I realize
very well that the two terms are usually conflated in
common usage.  Miller cannot be faulted for relying on
that unexamined usage to support his argument that the
terms can be mixed.

 I was trying, rather clumsily I admit, to argue that
excellence is not transferable as a salient quality.
Thus, whatever is said to be excellent is uniquely
excellent in a specific sense. If Shakespeare's Hamlet
is judged excellent, it cannot be the selfsame
excellence attributed to his Macbeth.

 I also argued that achievement can be transferable
and can be determined by standards or measures
independent of anything said to represent an
achievement.  Is that too dense?  Something may be
judged to be both excellent and an achievement, or not
excellent and yet an achievement, or neither excellent
nor an achievement, depending of the standards set for
achievement.  If sonny learns to plunk his way through
a Brahms lulaby at age 6 it may be a fine achievement.
 But only a teary parent would likely say it was
"excellent".  However, if sonny grows up to be a fine
pianist, he may play a particular Brahms piece with
excellence one day, even if he has not achieved
reknown. Each excellence is a singularity and
therefore cannot be measured (except by metaphor or
analogy, both of which are inexact and fanciful modes
of correspondence). We experience excellence as we
experience beauty; they are the same.

I would like to claim excellence as something
extremely rare, perhaps it is the condition or
experience of Beauty itself, a unique fusion of self
with form and the natural caprice of life -- as
Frederick Schiller (1795) suggested -- whereas
achievement is something can be predetermined,
abstracted, formulated, like a goal.
The football star may run the ball to the goal, an
achievement prescribed and measured by the rules of
the game, but his achievement may or may not have been
an "excellent" display.

When Miller conflates the two terms by reference to
the Academy Manner, he employs the common error of the
Academy system. Isn't it all but universally agreed
that the Academy Manner (the State Academies of the
18-19C) trained mostly hack, redundant, formulaic
artists?  The few geniuses who rose above the academy
system prescriptions/proscriptions demonstrated
inimitable, unrepeatable excellence in powerful,
demanding artworks that still move us (one example:
David's Death of Socrates or his first Death of Marat,
or Delacroix's Massacre at Chios).

I happen to like Manship's sculpture but it's too
decorative to be great art. For him the style makes
the image but the image does not seem necessary to the
style.  I also agree that that this difference is
difficult and subtle, like the difference between J.
Gris' early cubism and Picasso's early cubism.

 One of my favorite public sculptures in Chicago is
Borglum's bronze General Sheridan.  I experience
excellence in viewing it.  However it's not much of an
achievement, either as a late work in the Beaux Arts
tradition, or in scale, and in fact it may have been
finished by his son.

WC

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