I agree that taste --or opinion or belief or
preferences -- does affect our judgments independently
of logic, although even logic can reveal apriori
judgments. 

 But I don't agree with Miller's argument that science
and technology disallow beauty. At one point or
another, hasn't everyone exclaimed the beauty of
nature as revealed by science? The Renaissance artists
certainly regarded a scientific view of nature to be
the foundation of their art.  They were the first
modern scientists because they studied the "habits of
nature" and were the first after the Greeks to base
their aesthetics and theory on nature.

What Miller may have in mind when he laments the
effect of technology and popular commercialism on art
is the cultural preference for "things only as good as
they need to be" instead of "being as good as they can
be".  

One of the enduring traditions in all the arts is to
make things as good as they can be, to aim for some
sensibility of perfection.  This notion has been under
attack in the arts just as long as it has been
championed in the marketing of mass culture and mass
production.  Witness the current fashion for "abject"
and ephemeral art, much in abundance in the hip
galleries and "new art" museums.  

 We've come to expect that our $50,000 automobiles
will only be good for, at best, a decade, as long as
they need to be, so why should we still want a $500
painting to be enduring, aesthetically and physically,
as good as it can be?  

This giving up on the enduringness of art assumes the
conflation of high-low taste and acceptance of "only
as good as it needs to be" expectations.  Further, the
new art mandate is to fully separate idea from object,
the object being merely a quick-as-can-be
transmitter/symbol of idea and having no special
aesthetic attributes of its own. Thus, preference for
enduring form and hard won skills is a romaticized
trap, a dishonest and egoist distraction, from the all
important idea, usually ironic, cynical, and abject,
telling us once again that man has made a mess of
things, as if we didn't know that by third grade.

I think the levelling of art to the ever coarser
descent of mass culture and its addiction to
transient, ever-cheapened
only-as-good-as-it-needs-to-be expectations, however
much that oils the capitalist or socialist economies, 
is a bad thing. When art is life without ideals, 
there is no art.

 Yes, cultures can and do go bad when a gulf develops
between the enduring ideals that humankind always
claims for itself and the efforts, the desire, to
symbolize them in art.

I agree that teachers teach taste.  Unfortunately,
much of it "sucks" to use the jargon of low
culture/art/aesthetics.

And I'm not a retro-advocate Luddite.   I'm a deeply
conflicted, productive modernist-pomo,
anti-fashionista, romantic -- a ruthless believer in
enduring art and artists who make things as well as
they can be made, conceptually and physically, to
symbolize the human soul.  I mean high art! 

I'm sick of the cute little cartoon Calvin's out there
who make low art (while blowing kisses to
Duchamp/Warhol) because, as the cartoon says,  there's
"no bottom to bad taste".  For me, and Duchamp was a
mildly entertaining freeloading jokester and Warhol
was a fourth rate advertising sketcher who only wanted
to be rich.   They both became pop world geniuses when
they realized that what was happening in the
manufacture and marketing of clothing,  housewares,
and personalities could also be done as real art. 
Imagine either one of them having a conversation with
Velazquez, or any of a thousand others whose art still
stuns onlookers day after day, year after year,
century after century.

In forty years of teaching, if I didn't teach taste, I
taught nothing. Some of my students didn't agree with
my efforts to teach the taste that rises above mere
personalisms. They wanted to be hot and successful, to
talk more than do, to hope like hell they'd make the
right connections, flatter the right
curators/critics/collectors, live in NYC with a
spouse/partner who had a high paying day job or trust
fund.  I've seen 'em come and go, usually fairly fast
for the no-idea, deskilled, post studio talkers
fumbling with "theory" they can't read.  Five years to
get noticed by worried peers plus a scatter
installation show or two in basement galleries and
then the long, desperate journey to total career
oblivion.  I tried to give them some heavy baggage for
the trip. 

WC 

  
--- Chris Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Doesn't anyone here agree with me?
> 
> Art/literature teachers are always teaching taste -
> or as A.A. puts it:
> "What does the art teacher see?  The pupil's
> mistakes"
> 
> Even if they deny it - even if it's a taste for
> certain certain theories
> instead of certain kinds of images - and even if all
> they're teaching is a
> tolerance or relaxation  rather then a refinement of
> discrimination.
> 
> When Brady's professor tells the fourth year
> student: "The hands you painted
> look like flippers" - he teaching a taste for hands
> that look like hands.
> (apparently an important issue here on A-L -- as
> expressed in the recent
> dismay over the hands and feet of Gr|newald's Christ
> - and thank God Gr|newald
> never learned how to do them right!)
> 
> And if Brady's professor is concerned that a viewer
> "will not be able to
> discern a hierarchy by responding to the shapes in
> the picture." - he's
> teaching a taste for such a hierarchy - otherwise,
> why raise the issue ?
> 
> If Boris is teaching his students to "see all the
> colors or shapes
> etc. on the surface of the model" -- he's teaching
> them that it's
> less important to "think apple or flower" than to
> think "form, color, value"
> Why ? because he's teaching a taste for resemblance
> to nature.(or as Goodman
> might say - he teaching a preferred set of codes)
> 
> When Tom is writing about how to allow a novel to
> get written -- doesn't he
> have certain ideas about what would make the
> resulting text   attractive to a
> publisher? (i.e. conform to the taste of a current
> market for such things) ?
> Wouldn't the  jacket of his book remind us of such
> expertise by relating his
> success as an editor?
> 
> Preferences for images is primarily about taste --
> unless those images are
> expected to relate information about a specific
> question that needs to be
> answered or job that needs to get done -- as in
> science or technology.
> 
> And our world privileges science/technology above
> everything else.
> 
> Which itself is a judgment of taste -- a  taste for
> the white coat of the lab
> technician -  rather than the elegant weeds of the
> courtier.

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