He's just trawling - pushing buttons - as for me - I use MH - I don't subscribe - I'm not particularly enamored of his metaphysics - his ontology and phenomenology (which are materialist and linguistic - remember he was a student of Husserl- and probably a familiar of Fink) seems some what detached from the latter -
On 4/21/09 11:28 AM, "William Conger" <[email protected]> wrote: William, (moi?) is not picking any idealist positions or even involved in this Heidegger discussion. I do think it's appropriate to examine a philosophical tract respecting the terms and logic it employs before rejecting it from a different perspective, and different terms. Heidegger has much to offer to those who are willing to participate in his discourse. wc ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu<http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ________________________________ From: Chris Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:12:53 AM Subject: RE: Heidegger and thingness There would seem to be three possible responses to an ideology: subscription, rejection, and selection (i.e. picking and choosing favorable elements). Regarding the one under discussion (call it German Idealism?) -- here's how our group seems to be sorting out: *subscription: (Saul, Luc) *rejection: (Cheerskep, Mando, Miller) *picking and choosing: William, Boris, Kate In response the query that began this thread, it's interesting that even Saul did not find M.H.'s discussion of thingness to be especially enlightening. (i.e. -- it's just Kantian discourse embedded in MH's phenomenology). I suppose there's no point in arguing matters of faith -- either you subscribe to Kantian discourse, or you don't -- but I do think that the middle ground is very problematic - since it's an essentialist program -- and if you're rejecting the essentials, you're rejecting the whole thing. And there have been some rather catastrophic consequences when branches of this discourse, Marxism and Fascism, were adopted by totalitarian regimes in the previous century. (regarding the dire consequences of German idealism in the artworld, I suppose that's just a matter of taste) ____________________________________________________________ Largest network of startups. Find new startup opportunities. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxPtu6gmO3e1k6Ar2WCK0ZiOF GMEO3BY8zHeCmgBqs662rSNcn3zby/ --
