I will have to read Heidegger to clarify "thingness" in his meaning, for myself.
mando

On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Chris Miller wrote:

There would seem to be three possible responses to an ideology: subscription, rejection, and selection (i.e. picking and choosing favorable elements).

Regarding the one under discussion (call it German Idealism?) -- here's how
our group seems to be sorting out:

*subscription: (Saul, Luc)
*rejection: (Cheerskep, Mando, Miller)
*picking and choosing: William, Boris, Kate

In response the query that began this thread, it's interesting that even Saul did not find M.H.'s discussion of thingness to be especially enlightening.
(i.e. -- it's  just Kantian discourse embedded in MH's phenomenology).

I suppose there's no point in arguing matters of faith -- either you subscribe to Kantian discourse, or you don't -- but I do think that the middle ground is
very problematic - since it's an essentialist program -- and if you're
rejecting the essentials, you're rejecting the whole thing.

And there have been some rather catastrophic consequences when branches of this discourse, Marxism and Fascism, were adopted by totalitarian regimes in
the previous century.

(regarding the dire consequences of German idealism in the artworld, I suppose
that's just a matter of taste)




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